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Sleeping in EQ · 08-02-2007, 04:07 PM

I've noticed a line of thinking that I find disturbing and hope that you all will comment on it.

The trend is to think of Joseph as THE prophet of the Restoration, with the implication that we shouldn't be expecting much more in the way of revelation.

A related line of thinking is that we don't get additional revelation because we are too evil, or haven't taken what we have sufficiently seriously. This view is often held by people who, in my observation, aren't very serious students of the scriptures and who expect the Church and world to only become even more evil. In other words, it's self-fulfilling and requires nothing from its proponents. I don't find it scriptural, though. The scriptures are filled with revelations given at the very times people were the most wicked. And these teachings, while later made scripture, were not often of the "you haven't thought of this yet" variety. Consider that D&C 138 was only added to the canon decades after it's reception, and that a poem from George Albert Smith's journal, or some obscure writing from almost anyone, anywhere, could be added if Church authorities were so inclined.

In my mind, this thinking also ignores:

Article of Faith #9: We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet breveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

and

2 Nephi 29: 6-12

6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?

7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?

8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.

9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.

10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.

11 For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.

12 For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it.

"We have got a Book of Mormon and we need no more Book of Mormon." That is the hue and cry of those who should be looking for additional revelation but are not. That is the unstated mantra of those who don't believe God gives revelation according to his pleasure and to many nations. Mormons of this persuasion might like to think of others as "buffet Mormons" who pick and choose which scriptures to give credance to, but they, of course, are doing the same thing.

Has anyone else noticed this line of thinking?

MikeWaters · 08-02-2007, 04:11 PM

This line of thinking exists because the revelation that comes forward these days seems corporate and not particularly ground-breaking.

And it becomes hard to differentiate what is "revelation" and what is "a good idea."

YM who are too fat, won't be allowed on missions. Revelation?

Proclamation on the Family. Revelation?

Avoid porn. Revelation?

I think plenty in the church would be happy if the prophet said "Thus saith the Lord."

Archaea · 08-02-2007, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

This line of thinking exists because the revelation that comes forward these days seems corporate and not particularly ground-breaking.

And it becomes hard to differentiate what is "revelation" and what is "a good idea."

YM who are too fat, won't be allowed on missions. Revelation?

Proclamation on the Family. Revelation?

Avoid porn. Revelation?

I think plenty in the church would be happy if the prophet said "Thus saith the Lord."

Yet Brigham Young used "thus saith the Lord" in preaching the Adam God Concept from the temple and SWK later caused BRM to repudiate it. Food for thought.

Mormon Red Death · 08-05-2007, 03:22 PM

Solon touched on this

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...7&postcount=40

08-02-2007, 04:07 PM	#1
Sleeping in EQ Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The People's Republic of Monsanto Posts: 3,085	Continuing Revelation I've noticed a line of thinking that I find disturbing and hope that you all will comment on it. The trend is to think of Joseph as THE prophet of the Restoration, with the implication that we shouldn't be expecting much more in the way of revelation. A related line of thinking is that we don't get additional revelation because we are too evil, or haven't taken what we have sufficiently seriously. This view is often held by people who, in my observation, aren't very serious students of the scriptures and who expect the Church and world to only become even more evil. In other words, it's self-fulfilling and requires nothing from its proponents. I don't find it scriptural, though. The scriptures are filled with revelations given at the very times people were the most wicked. And these teachings, while later made scripture, were not often of the "you haven't thought of this yet" variety. Consider that D&C 138 was only added to the canon decades after it's reception, and that a poem from George Albert Smith's journal, or some obscure writing from almost anyone, anywhere, could be added if Church authorities were so inclined. In my mind, this thinking also ignores: Article of Faith #9: We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet breveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God. and 2 Nephi 29: 6-12 6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews? 7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth? 8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also. 9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever. 10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written. 11 For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written. 12 For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it. "We have got a Book of Mormon and we need no more Book of Mormon." That is the hue and cry of those who should be looking for additional revelation but are not. That is the unstated mantra of those who don't believe God gives revelation according to his pleasure and to many nations. Mormons of this persuasion might like to think of others as "buffet Mormons" who pick and choose which scriptures to give credance to, but they, of course, are doing the same thing. Has anyone else noticed this line of thinking? __________________ "Do not despise the words of prophets, but test everything; hold fast to what is good; " 1 Thess. 5:21 (NRSV) We all trust our own unorthodoxies. Last edited by Sleeping in EQ; 08-02-2007 at 04:16 PM.

08-05-2007, 03:22 PM	#4
Mormon Red Death Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Clinton Township, MI Posts: 3,126	Solon touched on this http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...7&postcount=40 __________________ Its all about the suit

08-02-2007, 04:11 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	This line of thinking exists because the revelation that comes forward these days seems corporate and not particularly ground-breaking. And it becomes hard to differentiate what is "revelation" and what is "a good idea." YM who are too fat, won't be allowed on missions. Revelation? Proclamation on the Family. Revelation? Avoid porn. Revelation? I think plenty in the church would be happy if the prophet said "Thus saith the Lord."