Ancient Old World Writings Support Mormon Doctrine

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

It's one more advantage the Book of Mormon has over the Bible. There is an established provenance of the sacred records kept over the years, which the Book of Mormon goes to some length to document.

Your reasoning is circular my friend.

Besides, one advantage the Bible has over the Book of Mormon is that we know from contemporary facts and hard archeological and linguistic and documentary evidence there were such things as Hebrews, Egyptians, Phillistines, etc., they fought one another, etc. At least we have that bare bones corroboration of the Bible's general context.

[Sleeping in EQ]

That stuff doesn't support Elder McConkie's book at all!

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Your reasoning is circular my friend.

Besides, one advantage the Bible has over the Book of Mormon is that we know from contemporary facts and hard archeological and linguistic and documentary evidence there were such things as Hebrews, Egyptians, Phillistines, etc., they fought one another, etc. At least we have that bare bones corroboration of the Bible's general context.

My reasoning is intended for a believing audience; one that already share a basic set of fundamental beliefs which includes the the belief that the Book of Mormon is the word of God and was brought about the way it claims it was.

Since you aren't my target audience, it overwhelms me with surprise that you took issue with it.

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

The fireside speaker quoted in the article is the modern equivalent of snake oil salesment and the risk of exposure to such charlatans is a big reason why I'd like my children not to be involved with Mormonism.

I agree with everything in your post except this last line. Risk of exposure to charlatans? You sound like an advocate of home schooling.

I'm going to expose my kids to the charlatans, and then call it like I see it. I'm not going to hide the world from them.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MudphudCoug

I agree with everything in your post except this last line. Risk of exposure to charlatans? You sound like an advocate of home schooling.

I'm going to expose my kids to the charlatans, and then call it like I see it. I'm not going to hide the world from them.

What I want to know is whether this fireside speaker is a protege of Hartman Rector Jr., because that would really impress me.

Basically I agree with you. My last line was sort of a troll. It's possible and really necessary to enlighten your kids so that they will spot such charlatans as easily as you. In fact, if you don't succeed with them that far you're done anyway because they're going to get exposed to all kids of bad stuff.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

What I want to know is whether this fireside speaker is a protege of Hartman Rector Jr., because that would really impress me.

Basically I agree with you. My last line was sort of a troll. It's possible and really necessary to enlighten your kids so that they will spot such charlatans as easily as you. In fact, if you don't succeed with them that far you're done anyway because they're going to get exposed to all kids of bad stuff.

This thread should have been in the religion thread as it is too weak and not based in hard facts, or clear research.

We LDS need to do better with the quality of our firesides.

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

http://mormontimes.com/DB_index.php?id=988

I sat next to Griggs on a flight from London to San Francisco in April. He was returning from Egypt.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by MudphudCoug

I agree with everything in your post except this last line. Risk of exposure to charlatans? You sound like an advocate of home schooling.

I'm going to expose my kids to the charlatans, and then call it like I see it. I'm not going to hide the world from them.

Word. I was raised in a home where my father frequently quoted my grandfather (a died in the wool believer and a formidable intellect) who would say "the church must stand up to the question mark?" He believed that you could find the answers to things through study, which he did just about constantly. So I was brought up to believe that you ask questions and that it is okay to seek, to study and to challenge. My kids will learn the same things.

My 11 year old doesn't live with me, but she has enough of her dad in her that we have frequently had to talk about the idea (mostly in the context of her mom) that just because you have the ability to out talk someone or win the argument doesn't mean that it is always a good idea to do so. The danger with her is not that some charlatan is going to win her over, the danger for her will be that she will take him apart on the spot and make a scene.

I think it is important that my kids, within reason, get exposed to ideas that are wrong. I want them to learn to critically examine things. I also want them to learn that faith is what will sustain them through life, not proofs.