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The reality is the Canadian system is not great, not bad, but pretty good. There are problems such as an acute lack of access to family doctors. There simply aren't enough of them and the one's practicing are overworked and a little underpaid (IMO). The entire system is predicated upon referrals starting with the family doctor. Once the referral is made you get absolute access to the service, despite a potentially long wait (several weeks or a couple of months) for an elective procedure. If a condition is potentially life threatening etc. a patient is moved to the front of the line and the care is immediate … and yes, it is the SAME level of care available in the states. In many regards the system is slow to adopt new procedures, techniques and materials –but ultimately they ARE adopted and in fact many MORE procedures are available to EVERYONE and not merely those with insurance! It is regularly argued in parliament that there should be some privatization of some elective services to permit those who can afford to accelerate the process to do so instead of going south or elsewhere. I might ad that an equal number of Americans are going to Malaysia and India for such services because it is more immediate and or cheaper Our current conservative government might very well pass legislation that privatizes some services. I also think a nominal fee should be charged for each visit to a clinic. People who need to take an aspirin and get a good nights sleep overrun the clinics and place incredible stress on the aforementioned overworked family doctors. The bottom line is I have lived in Canada for 14 years. I have NEVER come across a single person who has been denied the best care available in modern health sciences, myself included. Furthermore I am not a fan of MM and consider his work fiction … his fiction is as dangerous as the fiction one often hears about the Canadian health system by Americans who ignorantly fear national health care. Last edited by tooblue; 02-24-2008 at 02:24 AM. |
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Society made the determination that an educated workforce was more productive and better for the economy. If we promoted wellness, by virture of good health habits, that is something society should promote and look to subsidize. But we cannot afford unlimited health care consumption which public funded health care would become.
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I agree that we dont turn people away....but in big cities, we kick them out quickly, for sure. That being said, I have no practical solutions, either.
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I'm no proponent of socialized medicine, but too many conservatives have their heads in the sand about health care problems in our society. I believe these people are simply hastening the day when we have socialized medicine in the US. The day will come when the solutions are proposed around the table, and if most of the conservatives have stayed their current course, the proposals will, for the most part, be socialized medicine and "Don't do anything". And in that case, socialized medicine will win, because the problems are real. One thing I liked about Romney was his willingness to try a more conservative approach to these problems in MA. Whether or not I liked his solution, I admire his willingness to look for a creative solution based on more conservative principles. |
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Discuss it with Tooblue and you can see how big of a commie he is
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England has 50 million people Canada has 26 million people France has 60 million people Its a lot harder to give good healthcare with so many people. Look at brazil they are have half as many people as the US and their systems suck. Look at India and China. Conversely sweden has fantastic healthcare. The US is doing pretty good if you take its size into consideration
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I didn't think it was possible, but I am even more against it now.
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