My prediction for Iowa

[woot]

Wow CB really is off its rocker right now. There is a genuine consensus that Romney lost only because of anti-mormon bigotry. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with Huckabee's superior communication skills, the perception that Romney was trying to buy the state, Romney's excessive mud-slinging, or any of that. Yikes.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by woot

Wow CB really is off its rocker right now. There is a genuine consensus that Romney lost only because of anti-mormon bigotry. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with Huckabee's superior communication skills, the perception that Romney was trying to buy the state, Romney's excessive mud-slinging, or any of that. Yikes.

Am I wrong to think that anti-mormon bigotry did play a part in Romney's difficulties? Especially given that 30% of people say they would not vote for a Mormon. And noting Huckabee's rise after his emphasis on his "Christian" status? Were all those Evangelicals simply motivated by a desire to support Huckabee?

I don't know that it was the primary factor, but I suspect it played a part.

Maybe I'm just paranoid.

[woot]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

Am I wrong to think that anti-mormon bigotry did play a part in Romney's difficulties? Especially given that 30% of people say they would not vote for a Mormon. And noting Huckabee's rise after his emphasis on his "Christian" status? Were all those Evangelicals simply motivated by a desire to support Huckabee?

I don't know that it was the primary factor, but I suspect it played a part.

Maybe I'm just paranoid.

I think that Romney's Mormonism probably played a role, though I very much doubt it played a 9% role. Still, not voting for someone because you disagree with them about supernatural stuff doesn't seem bigotry any more than not voting for someone because you disagree with them about real stuff.

Huckabee is rare in that he is an all-out fundy. Therefore, the fundies came out in droves to vote for him. CB says this is obviously because they hate Mormons. I guess that means that when Utah gets a bigger than average turnout it means they all hate Christians. Dumb logic.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by woot

Still, not voting for someone because you disagree with them about supernatural stuff doesn't seem bigotry any more than not voting for someone because you disagree with them about real stuff.

Obviously the world doesn't turn on your conclusions about what is real and what isn't.

Originally Posted by woot

Huckabee is rare in that he is an all-out fundy. Therefore, the fundies came out in droves to vote for him. CB says this is obviously because they hate Mormons. I guess that means that when Utah gets a bigger than average turnout it means they all hate Christians. Dumb logic.

Show me polling showing that 30% of Utahns will never vote for an Evangelical and that logic won't be that dumb. Show me the countless Mormon websites and "ministries" dedicated specifically to taking down Evangelical belief and that logic won't be that dumb. Show me Mormons that dog Evangelical meetings and get-togethers nationwide and that logic won'd be that dumb.

It had an effect. You've already admitted it. The debate is how much.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

Well, it does look like we need a saviour. Obama and Clinton are weaker than Kerry and Gore, who, if you can all remember, were beaten by W. Who can we draft?

You severely underestimate Obama.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

You severely underestimate Obama.

Where's the beef?

He's just two years removed from the Illinois state senate.

He'll get torn apart in a general election.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

Obviously the world doesn't turn on your conclusions about what is real and what isn't.



Show me polling showing that 30% of Utahns will never vote for an Evangelical and that logic won't be that dumb. Show me the countless Mormon websites and "ministries" dedicated specifically to taking down Evangelical belief and that logic won't be that dumb. Show me Mormons that dog Evangelical meetings and get-togethers nationwide and that logic won'd be that dumb.

It had an effect. You've already admitted it. The debate is how much.

It's obvious and logical from the numbers that 30% equates to much of the 9% ... but hey, I'm not a scientist

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

Where's the beef?

He's just two years removed from the Illinois state senate.

He'll get torn apart in a general election.

Additionally, I just don't think America is ready to elect a guy named Barack Hussein Obama.

[woot]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

Additionally, I just don't think America is ready to elect a guy named Barack Hussein Obama.

Yikes speaking of bigotry... The indication from the polls and today's results is that America wouldn't mind that at all. By America did you mean you personally?

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

You severely underestimate Obama.

Perhaps you've overestimated Obama.

No executive experience - either political or business.
No foreign policy experience.
No economic sense.

What qualifies him for the White House?