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Old 09-15-2016, 05:47 PM   #11
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I can't understand a single sentence. Couldn't finish.

https://bycommonconsent.com/2016/09/...avenly-mother/
"I'm trying to be like Jesus."

Women need someone they're trying to be like.

Ideally a woman.
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Old 09-15-2016, 05:57 PM   #12
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"I'm trying to be like Jesus."

Women need someone they're trying to be like.

Ideally a woman.
Waters is just being nice. It's poorly written. The juxtaposition of the inherent absurdity of the subject matter and the pretentious writing is laughable.
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Old 09-15-2016, 06:08 PM   #13
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Waters is just being nice. It's poorly written. The juxtaposition of the inherent absurdity of the subject matter and the pretentious writing is laughable.
That's OK, I'm not reading the BCC post at all.
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Summary of pp. 1-9

He summarizes the thought of a theologian, Idirigay. She actually doesn't sound that feminist.
1. Motherhood is central to being a woman, but a woman should not be restricted to motherhood.
2. Motherhood is a function, not an identity.
3. There is a complementarity between sexes, and that shouldn't be denied.

Critique of Idirigay from Joy: Setting an ideal for women that is unfettered by patriarchal constraints (good!), but prescribing norms for women (bad!). Paradoxical.

[Chino knows third wave feminists often feel that feminism ignores black women, lesbians, working class women, etc. Feminists shouldn't prescribe norms for women based on white, middle-class assumptions]
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Old 09-15-2016, 06:42 PM   #15
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Mormonism's Heavenly Mother has a lot in common with Idirigay.
-Emphasis on motherhood
-God is actually and man and a woman, not a nebulous "one."

Critique of Mormonism's Heavenly Mother by Melody Moench Charles:
- Heavenly Mother is not equal with Heavenly Father
- Second to her husband in everything
- Second to her son in many things.
- Has no identity without her husband
- Nameless, faceless, no function

Mormon feminists fall in two camps:
Oppositional (Toscanos and gang) - Church is oppressing and silencing theology about Heavenly Mother

Apologetic - Despite shortcomings, Church mostly right about Heavenly Mother
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