I was sort of baffled by the black guy that quoted John Taylor

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by Taq Man

Brigham said it was the Law of God not his own thoughts or "council". He said it was the Law of God and it would always be so.

Or is this law just like the law to not see R rated movies?

Your line of reasoning also suggests that if Joseph said gay sex was OK from the ages of 16 to 18, but nobody really took him up on it, and a prophet 75 years later changed it, then all is OK the church was never led astray because nobodies salvation was jeapordized? What about the teaching itself?

Again BY said it was the Law of God. Not popular opinion, or his personal bias. He also said that it would always be so.

And Brigham Young was wrong. You won't find anyone, except for maybe Grapevine who believe otherwise. Your point was, I think, that the prophet has indeed led the church astray. Woodruff's statement doesn't mean a prophet will never make an error. It means that a prophet's errors will never lead the church as a whole down a path away from Christ from which Christ will not pull us back.

That Joseph Smith example is just silly.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

And Brigham Young was wrong. You won't find anyone, except for maybe Tex and Grapevine who believe otherwise. Your point was, I think, that the prophet has indeed led the church astray. Woodruff's statement doesn't mean a prophet will never make an error. It means that a prophet's errors will never lead the church as a whole down a path away from Christ from which Christ will not pull us back.

That Joseph Smith example is just silly.

Indy doesn't believe BY was wrong.

[Taq Man]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

And Brigham Young was wrong. You won't find anyone, except for maybe Tex and Grapevine who believe otherwise. Your point was, I think, that the prophet has indeed led the church astray. Woodruff's statement doesn't mean a prophet will never make an error. It means that a prophet's errors will never lead the church as a whole down a path away from Christ from which Christ will not pull us back.

That Joseph Smith example is just silly.

The Joseph Smith example was meant to be silly/outrageous. However, your reasoning that the church was not led astray because:

1. No blacks really suffered until the last 20 or so years

2. Nobody's salvation was jeapordized (you couldn't know this)

3. The church was not taught that blacks were inferior (I think ample evidence to the contrary has been presented)


This just doesn't hold up (as my stupid Joseph Smith example tried to demonstrate). The church was led astray because generations of Mormons lived and died believing a particualry un-Christlike doctrine. Who knows what bigotry was entertained because of this teaching. All of the Mormons who lived after Joseph and before Spencer were deceived and thus led astray.

Thank goodness you live now with the right concept of race.

But it begs the question if that one was wrong and left to fester for over a century what current teaching is next? The word of wisdom?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by fusnik11

Does the word celestial not imply God?

Which leads right into this paragraph....



Thus my question, why the change in God? Why was he ok with giving the priesthood to a black man, incorporating him into His church's leadership, only to take the privilege away for a black man to pass the sacrament twenty years later?

These are questions to which I don't have the answers, which I believe has been my point from the start?

You won't find anyone, except for maybe Tex and Grapevine ...

You won't find anyone, except for maybe Grapevine ...

Do I detect some dissembling on SteelBlue's part? Thanks for editing, and not putting words in my mouth.

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by Tex

Do I detect some dissembling on SteelBlue's part? Thanks for editing, and not putting words in my mouth.

Yeah, that was too mean, I apologize.

[pelagius]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

And Brigham Young was wrong. You won't find anyone, except for maybe Grapevine who believe otherwise. Your point was, I think, that the prophet has indeed led the church astray. Woodruff's statement doesn't mean a prophet will never make an error. It means that a prophet's errors will never lead the church as a whole down a path away from Christ from which Christ will not pull us back.

That Joseph Smith example is just silly.

SteelBlue you are getting radical these days. Pretty soon you are going to start arguing that woman can be apostles (oops, nevermind there is one of those in the NT).

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Indy doesn't believe BY was wrong.

Link?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Link?

Read thread. You have defended Brigham Young positiing all sorts of support, never once positing BY was wrong in his decision.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Read thread. You have defended Brigham Young positiing all sorts of support, never once positing BY was wrong in his decision.

It is interesting to read a thread on a predominantly Mormon website where the position of defending Brigham Young is attacked.

Not to say he was or wasn't wrong ... just interesting to read.

[MikeWaters]

Tex defends the status quo. It's his role in life.

His posts are more reliable than the sunrise.