10-12-2006, 02:05 AM | #21 | |
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I'm not familiar with the NY airspace, but ... If a pilot is flying VFR, he need not ensure that the local air traffic controllers monitor his flight path. It is good policy to do so, but it is not mandatory. The controllers often track but unless the pilot makes voluntary contact, they have no way of contacting the pilot.
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http://kutv.com/topstories/topstorie...284145246.html Inexperienced pilot + apparently not so good weather and visibility = a very sad situation. Yankess should stay away from private planes.
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10-12-2006, 03:19 AM | #23 | |
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As I said before, I don't know of an airport on Manhattan that would service small planes like this. I can only conclude (and I am sure the media will soon tell us) that he took off from off of Manhattan and wandered into their airspace. I don't think it is unfair to compare NY airspace with DC airspace. Sure, DC is more secure. But NY, aside from DC, is likely the most watched airspace in the world. I am surprised that the head of NORAD wasn't alerted to the possible breach of that airspace security until he watched the tv. It may be even more alarming that the plane issued a distress signal and NORAD still didn't know about it. Is it really that easy to fly an airplane into a building on Manhattan? Last edited by Cali Coug; 10-12-2006 at 03:21 AM. |
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Airspace security is a myth. You could fly it into Red Square in Moscow undetected or Tiananmen Square if you did it right.
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ANyone that thinks NORAD or nayone else can keep track of every small private aricraft and be prepared to "do something' whenever it veers towards a city or below 500 feet is in dreamland. It cannot be done. There are a number of airports near manhattan, and this accident ocurred on the upper East side, right along the river. I don't care which party is in power, this sort of reconnaisance simply cannot be done at any reasonable cost.
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Matthias Kessler rides for T-Mobile; Mathias Rust flew into Red Square around 1987. Being a German studies major, I had no idea I was linking a famous German who also spent time in Russian jail. Link because the Rust story was fascinating. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust
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If it is truly this easy in NYC, we are in for some serious problems. |
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TO adopt similar measures in other cities, especailly somewhere like the metropolitan NYC area, would be very damaging to the livelihoods of many, as well as to the convenience of many others. It simply can't be done in any reasonable way. Planes fly up and down the east river all the time, as do helicopters. In order to allow NORAD enough time to recognize a risk to any building in manhattan and have enough time to do anything about it (remember, unlike the whitehouse there are no AA guns on top of most buildigns in NYC) the no-fly zone would probably have to stretch from massachusetts to Philadelphia, and even then it might not be enough. I also found it quaint that you apparently beleived that NORAD has some sort of central database that keeps track of every flight's flight plan (although you now have been informed that many flights don't even file flight plans) and keeps tabs on all flights so that if they vary from these flight plans they can be shot down or intercepted by fighters. IF we scrambled fighters every time some yahoo in a cessna varies from his flight plan (assuming he filed one) our air force fighters would probabyl spend most of their time on this activity. Now if we could spend enough on 'star wars' systems so we could zap these guys from space, it might be possible.
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I assumed you knew about and were referring to Rust, but I wasn't sure some of the younger set here knew who you meant. It was a remarkable story. At the height of the cold war this kid flies right into stinking Red Square. Aamzing
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