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Old 09-13-2015, 10:28 PM   #1
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When the migration happened, I went with the other site. I was wrong. I followed a false prophet. It was a mistake.
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Old 09-14-2015, 03:54 AM   #2
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It's funny, we get these people that come here and say that. And then like a week later, they're gone again never to be heard from again. Like they were suspended and their suspension is up.

I've learned a thing or two after all these years. Not sure what those things are however.
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This apology reminds me of how the creator of "The Wire" reacts when people tell him how great his show is, many years after it ended. David Simon. He gets all upset and basically says where were you when your support would have actually mattered?

It ends up feeling something like a post-mortem.

(Btw, I'm fine with how things are. And I learned some lessons).

The reason I'm thinking about this now is that I'm pretty sure Jefe is going to ban me forever soon from CB. And my interaction with "cougar fans" will consist of only this site. And the four people that are here.
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:52 PM   #4
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This apology reminds me of how the creator of "The Wire" reacts when people tell him how great his show is, many years after it ended. David Simon. He gets all upset and basically says where were you when your support would have actually mattered?

It ends up feeling something like a post-mortem.

(Btw, I'm fine with how things are. And I learned some lessons).

The reason I'm thinking about this now is that I'm pretty sure Jefe is going to ban me forever soon from CB. And my interaction with "cougar fans" will consist of only this site. And the four people that are here.
Yeah, I wish I would have been here when it actually mattered. I realize that I'm not a cougar fan, but you can add me as the 5th person you get to occasionally get to interact with here.
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Old 09-30-2016, 02:14 PM   #5
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I realize that I'm not a cougar fan
I'm barely hanging on as a fan as it is.

The less I interact with Zoobs, the more I like BYU. And the reverse.
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This apology reminds me of how the creator of "The Wire" reacts when people tell him how great his show is, many years after it ended. David Simon. He gets all upset and basically says where were you when your support would have actually mattered?

It ends up feeling something like a post-mortem.

(Btw, I'm fine with how things are. And I learned some lessons).

The reason I'm thinking about this now is that I'm pretty sure Jefe is going to ban me forever soon from CB. And my interaction with "cougar fans" will consist of only this site. And the four people that are here.
Reminds me of this.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...ReadMore_Pos20
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Old 10-11-2016, 10:49 PM   #7
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One thing that surprised me about Mormons and I learned from the Internet is how many Mormons who are active in the faith there are whose views of Mormonism are not that far removed from my own--my speech just tends to be more blunt and irreverent, but the content is similar if not the same.

Another thing that surprised me is how many Mormons I've seen exit the faith in the years I've interacted with Mormons on the Internet. I suppose this observation is related to the first.

But the most surprising thing to me is that there is literally a cult of BYU football; most BYU fans I've known care a thousand times more about BYU sports than about the LDS Church. The reason I say this is that I can level any amount of criticism or even invective at the LDS Church (essentially, its leaders) and Mormons will tolerate it or even be amused by it. But BYU fans' skin is hyper-thin about BYU sports.

Since Utah was admitted to the Pac 12, Cougarstadium has become toxic for Ute fans. They can't stand our presence. Moreover, they don't tolerate honest criticism of BYU that is kindred to typical criticism leveled at the LDS Church, even if it is demonstrably true. For example, for years I patiently explained to them that BYU would never be offered from a P5 conference because of what I jokingly call the CULTure. I reiterated this during the last increased dialogue over Big 12 expansion fueled by the Big 12's commitment to investigate expansion.

As my words turned out to be prophetic, cougarstadium all but threw stones at me. Of course, I was only the messenger for what I accurately was predicting as the mainstream view. For all the criticism I've leveled at every other part of the LDS Church, my prediction and explanations for BYU being shut out of the P5 was finally not the straw that broke the camel's back, but what caused Jeff Lebowski to go from saying he loved me (there are many posts where he had done that) to saying I was like the infamous Wasatch teams sports board troll Moose. I hadn't changed. It's just that this time I was getting it right about BYU.

Here is what is shameful. These BYU fans will call themselves progressive and criticize the LDS Church's moral failings including homophobia, abuse of women, failure to account for historical racism, lack of academic freedom, etc. (they may not describe these things exactly as I have, granted, but purportedly we share similar concerns), but when it comes to BYU having actually to suffer for its principles and those of the university communities BYU fans pine for, BYU fans are completely unwilling to stand up for what really matters.
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One thing that surprised me about Mormons and I learned from the Internet is how many Mormons who are active in the faith there are whose views of Mormonism are not that far removed from my own--my speech just tends to be more blunt and irreverent, but the content is similar if not the same.

Another thing that surprised me is how many Mormons I've seen exit the faith in the years I've interacted with Mormons on the Internet. I suppose this observation is related to the first.

But the most surprising thing to me is that there is literally a cult of BYU football; most BYU fans I've known care a thousand times more about BYU sports than about the LDS Church. The reason I say this is that I can level any amount of criticism or even invective at the LDS Church (essentially, its leaders) and Mormons will tolerate it or even be amused by it. But BYU fans' skin is hyper-thin about BYU sports.

Since Utah was admitted to the Pac 12, Cougarstadium has become toxic for Ute fans. They can't stand our presence. Moreover, they don't tolerate honest criticism of BYU that is kindred to typical criticism leveled at the LDS Church, even if it is demonstrably true. For example, for years I patiently explained to them that BYU would never be offered from a P5 conference because of what I jokingly call the CULTure. I reiterated this during the last increased dialogue over Big 12 expansion fueled by the Big 12's commitment to investigate expansion.

As my words turned out to be prophetic, cougarstadium all but threw stones at me. Of course, I was only the messenger for what I accurately was predicting as the mainstream view. For all the criticism I've leveled at every other part of the LDS Church, my prediction and explanations for BYU being shut out of the P5 was finally not the straw that broke the camel's back, but what caused Jeff Lebowski to go from saying he loved me (there are many posts where he had done that) to saying I was like the famous Wasatch teams sports board troll Moose. I hadn't changed. It's just that this time I was getting it right about BYU.

Here is what is shameful. These BYU fans will call themselves progressive and criticize the LDS Church's moral failings including homophobia, abuse of women, failure to account for historical racism, lack of academic freedom, etc. (they may not describe these things exactly as I have, granted, but purportedly we share similar concerns), but when it comes to BYU having actually to suffer for its principles and those of the university communities BYU fans pine for, BYU fans are completely unwilling to stand up for what really matters.
I really hate going down with the ship over something I don't care about or even really believe (that gay marriage is the most important moral issue of our times). I hate being lumped into the same category as Westboro Baptists.

I'm willing to stand and fight and be different. I'm not not just bowing to the crowd. But I just don't feel the fire for this issue, quite the contrary. And of course I have personal skin in the game, having a gay brother.

I have to say I've become more "emotionally tolerant" of people who have left the church. It doesn't bother me as much as it used to. I've always believed that people have a right to do what they conscience dictates, but now I have more empathy for people who have decided to leave the faith. And part of me kind of feels like what the Brethren say about the children of gay parents--doesn't really matter if they are banned from being members or not, cause God will work it out. Well, if God is just going to work all that stuff out, I'm not going to sweat about things I have no control over.

Life kicks you in the nads a certain number of times, and then you get to thinking maybe that's what life is about. To get kicked in the nads. And there's not a lot of purpose to hoping that life won't kick you in the nads. You just try to be a good and decent person, and if a higher power, God, sprinkles some faith into your bosom, then you are blessed. Some of you keep the rest of us going. Cause you know, I hope for something larger than this life. I hope for a benign higher power. I hope for a reunion. I hope for the great group ride in the sky.

May your FTP always be rising.
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I really hate going down with the ship over something I don't care about or even really believe (that gay marriage is the most important moral issue of our times). I hate being lumped into the same category as Westboro Baptists.

I'm willing to stand and fight and be different. I'm not not just bowing to the crowd. But I just don't feel the fire for this issue, quite the contrary. And of course I have personal skin in the game, having a gay brother.

I have to say I've become more "emotionally tolerant" of people who have left the church. It doesn't bother me as much as it used to. I've always believed that people have a right to do what they conscience dictates, but now I have more empathy for people who have decided to leave the faith. And part of me kind of feels like what the Brethren say about the children of gay parents--doesn't really matter if they are banned from being members or not, cause God will work it out. Well, if God is just going to work all that stuff out, I'm not going to sweat about things I have no control over.

Life kicks you in the nads a certain number of times, and then you get to thinking maybe that's what life is about. To get kicked in the nads. And there's not a lot of purpose to hoping that life won't kick you in the nads. You just try to be a good and decent person, and if a higher power, God, sprinkles some faith into your bosom, then you are blessed. Some of you keep the rest of us going. Cause you know, I hope for something larger than this life. I hope for a benign higher power. I hope for a reunion. I hope for the great group ride in the sky.

May your FTP always be rising.
Well said. I agree. But so too man is that he might have joy. That's what makes us able to carry on through the nad kicks.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:42 PM   #10
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I really hate going down with the ship over something I don't care about or even really believe (that gay marriage is the most important moral issue of our times). I hate being lumped into the same category as Westboro Baptists.

I'm willing to stand and fight and be different. I'm not not just bowing to the crowd. But I just don't feel the fire for this issue, quite the contrary. And of course I have personal skin in the game, having a gay brother.

I have to say I've become more "emotionally tolerant" of people who have left the church. It doesn't bother me as much as it used to. I've always believed that people have a right to do what they conscience dictates, but now I have more empathy for people who have decided to leave the faith. And part of me kind of feels like what the Brethren say about the children of gay parents--doesn't really matter if they are banned from being members or not, cause God will work it out. Well, if God is just going to work all that stuff out, I'm not going to sweat about things I have no control over.

Life kicks you in the nads a certain number of times, and then you get to thinking maybe that's what life is about. To get kicked in the nads. And there's not a lot of purpose to hoping that life won't kick you in the nads. You just try to be a good and decent person, and if a higher power, God, sprinkles some faith into your bosom, then you are blessed. Some of you keep the rest of us going. Cause you know, I hope for something larger than this life. I hope for a benign higher power. I hope for a reunion. I hope for the great group ride in the sky.

May your FTP always be rising.
Happy to hear you are more tolerant of us apostate types these days.

How would you feel about me starting a craft beer thread or a NHL thread on this site? Will either get me banned?
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