03-23-2006, 11:40 PM | #1 |
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This matter disturbs me about Islam
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188903,00.html
I recognize Christianity experienced periods of intolerance, but that was centuries ago. By making that argument, are we in fact saying that Islam is mired in the Dark Ages? If so, will it ever rise up out of this period?
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This form of intolerance is not found in Islam as a whole. It is reserved for the more extreme varieties found in South Asia and the Gulf. That said, this type of thinking appears to be found in a significant portion of the Islamic world, even if it represents the minority.
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Interesting statement. If what you are saying is that most muslims think this way but only a few act upon it then I can see that. The major problem that I see are the clerics(not all but enough) who continually preach their sermons of hate all the while claiming to be a religion of peace. Is it any wonder that violence & intolerance is routinely practiced by muslims against Christians? Quote:
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Muslims, fundamentally, do not see religion as a free market. Period.
If they did, you would see missionaries from other religions allowed in their countries. Increasingly, on an empiric basis, I doubt the notion that Islam is a religion of freedom, peace, and tolerance. Sorry, Bush, not buying that one. |
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Where is the Islamic message of peace? I haven't seen it.
The message of Islam is the sword and death to the infidel, non-believer. If significant numbers of "clerics" are shouting death because somebody doesn't believe, then this is false religion. If the only way you retain believers is hate and intimidation, then you are an intolerant dictatorship.
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Is hate and intimidation okay, so long as the threat of that hate and intimidation only exist in the world to come? |
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English version http://www.gerejayesuskristus.or.id/church/hp/index.asp Indonesian version http://www.gerejayesuskristus.or.id/church/hm/index.asp Additionally, Christian missionaries are active throughout the Muslim world (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Turkey, etc.). Granted, the more fundamentalist societies (Saudi Arabia and other gulf states, Afghanistan) remain closed, and the plight of new converts from Islam is difficult even in the more tolerant states. Nonetheless, a certain level of tolerance does exist. While the teachings of Islam may militate against a "free market" approach to religious tolerance to a certain extent (what religion's teachings don't to some extent?), the level of tolerance appears to be more a factor of local customs and the "civilization" effect than Islam itself. I also wonder how much of this, particularly the intolerance found in Middle Eastern Islam, is an outgrowth of that region's mistrust and antipathy for Western political and military dominance in world affairs. Many still see the establishment of Israel as a modern day extension of The Crusades, placing a European enclave in the heart of the Middle East. I don’t see Islam as a monolith. The puritanical Wahhabist tradition found in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan is only one shade among many.
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what percent of Muslims think the Danish cartoonists ought to be killed, I wonder?
In which countries do they look away when it comes to honor killings? |
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As for honor killings, this is not unique to Islam (can be found in Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa, India for example) and I think is more a factor of the "civilization" effect. The more civilized a society becomes, the more protective it is of human rights and, naturally, more intolerant of such practices.
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