Topics you never hear at Church

[BigFatMeanie]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

My first wife......she was raised her entire life by her mother to believe that even in a marriage that Oral Sex is evil and wrong because that's what the Church teaches, even though the Church clearly doesn't teach that. I'm surprised how many in our culture truly do not believe that once you get married, what you do sexually is between you and your wife and the only limits you have are the ones you set on yourselves. You can imagination my incredulous reaction at this when my ex told me about this. It had been ingrained her that even though she wasn't doing anything bad,,,,,that she was doing something bad.

One problem is that the church does teach us to obey, honor, and sustain the law. The problem lies in the fact that oral sex is illegal in Utah. I present to you section 76-5-403 of the Utah Code. Consider this the next time you are feeling frisky:

A person commits sodomy when the actor engages in any sexual act with a person who is 14 years of age or older involving the genitals of one person and mouth or anus of another person, regardless of the sex of either participant.

On the positive side, the law makes for a great excuse when you aren't feeling up to the task: "Sorry baby, it's illegal"

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie

One problem is that the church does teach us to obey, honor, and sustain the law. The problem lies in the fact that oral sex is illegal in Utah. I present to you section 76-5-403 of the Utah Code. Consider this the next time you are feeling frisky:



On the positive side, the law makes for a great excuse when you aren't feeling up to the task: "Sorry baby, it's illegal"

Do women need any more excuses? The excuse list is already longer than the NYC phone book. What's adding one more line to an already limitless list?

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Archaea

I would wager, money, and alcohol have ruined far more marriages than a man's misuse of pornography.

Rocky said marriages in the church. The church population self-selects to a lower incidence of alcohol abuse, I would imagine. You said marriages without qualification, which would not include the same self-selection. Thus, you and Rocky may both be right (although I have no idea of the actual aggregate numbers).

[pelagius]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

My first wife......she was raised her entire life by her mother to believe that even in a marriage that Oral Sex is evil and wrong because that's what the Church teaches, even though the Church clearly doesn't teach that. I'm surprised how many in our culture truly do not believe that once you get married, what you do sexually is between you and your wife and the only limits you have are the ones you set on yourselves. You can imagination my incredulous reaction at this when my ex told me about this. It had been ingrained her that even though she wasn't doing anything bad,,,,,that she was doing something bad.

Rocky, I don't disagree with your general point here (say yes to oral sex) but I thought I would add some historical perspective for why many Mormon's at least historically had a very negative view of oral sex. Bishop's were for a brief period told by the 1st presidency in the early 80s (82 I think) that oral sex was "considered an unholy and unpure practice." This led to an increase in the number of Bishops asking married couples if they engaged in oral sex. About 6 months later, the 1st presidency issued another letter instructed Bishops to "don't ask and don't let people tell."

Source: Quinn, Michael, The Mormon Hierarchy : Extensions of Power

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Well, is anecdotal experience how we should set policy, or should it be set based on sound sociological evidence and studies. I would wager, money, and alcohol have ruined far more marriages than a man's misuse of pornography.

I know for a fact the biggest concern of the Brethren in the church is the exponential growth of the problems with pornography.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie

One problem is that the church does teach us to obey, honor, and sustain the law. The problem lies in the fact that oral sex is illegal in Utah. I present to you section 76-5-403 of the Utah Code. Consider this the next time you are feeling frisky:

Oh come on. Do you really think that is an issue for anyone?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

I know for a fact the biggest concern of the Brethren in the church is the exponential growth of the problems with pornography.

Well if that is the way the Church attacks it, it will fail. It needs to broaden its scope.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Well, is anecdotal experience how we should set policy, or should it be set based on sound sociological evidence and studies. I would wager, money, and alcohol have ruined far more marriages than a man's misuse of pornography.

There is a thing such as sexual addiction. Chemical changes do result in men who consume pornography.

And although we like to simplify everything in terms of an us versus them battle, methinks we give Lucifer far too much credit for our own shortcomings. People create these things. The last time I looked at scripture, Lucifer never received a body.

I'm unfortunate enough that everyone in my life seems to be bishop level in the church or above--several co-workers, friends, siblings, etc. My feeling from discussions from these and other observations is that adultery is the #1 cause for divorce in the church and that pornography is the #1 contributor to the adultery in these cases. I can hardly believe those that are writing the problem off here in this thread live in the same church and culture I do, because the problem is glaringly obvious to me.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Well, is anecdotal experience how we should set policy, or should it be set based on sound sociological evidence and studies. I would wager, money, and alcohol have ruined far more marriages than a man's misuse of pornography.

There is a thing such as sexual addiction. Chemical changes do result in men who consume pornography.

And although we like to simplify everything in terms of an us versus them battle, methinks we give Lucifer far too much credit for our own shortcomings. People create these things. The last time I looked at scripture, Lucifer never received a body.

Yeah you're right, Lucifer is overated. lol.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Well, is anecdotal experience how we should set policy, or should it be set based on sound sociological evidence and studies. I would wager, money, and alcohol have ruined far more marriages than a man's misuse of pornography.

There is a thing such as sexual addiction. Chemical changes do result in men who consume pornography.

And although we like to simplify everything in terms of an us versus them battle, methinks we give Lucifer far too much credit for our own shortcomings. People create these things. The last time I looked at scripture, Lucifer never received a body.

First of all I said IN THE CHURCH...and I'll take that wager anytime.