Batgirl's political thoughts

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Here is an article about his newly adopted belief on immigration:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...n_immigration/

That's it. I'm outta here for sure now. The anti-immigration sentiment I think is emotionally charged and illogical. We need policy that works WITH and not against economics. Even opponents admit immigration is what business wants. Since when does a good republican support policies that will hurt and punish business or try to argue that what's good for business is bad for the rest of the country. That's socialist philosophy.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

You know, Mike, apart from moral rights and wrongs, there are good pragmatic reasons to not alienate the entire world, and even cultivate alliances.

If I say I agree with Seattle am I damned to hell?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

You know, Mike, apart from moral rights and wrongs, there are good pragmatic reasons to not alienate the entire world, and even cultivate alliances. Lingo might as well come here and say schools ought to be segregated. That's how much credence what he says here deserves.

Correct. However, wihich alliances have been threatened and which alliances are in good stead is another question. With the changes in Britain, Germany and now France, just the political changes indicate improved alliances.

If we can achieve a primary goal without alienating or with alienating, then we should not endeavor to alienate. OTOH, I wonder how much "alienation" really occurs, just because a few news rags say it occurs. Mind you, I am normally an exocist, as opposed to an endocist.

[RockyBalboa]

Whoever the new President is Republican or Democrat, I'm guessing that early in his/her first term that we'll pull out of Iraq.

[Insensitive PAP]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Whoever the new President is Republican or Democrat, I'm guessing that early in his/her first term that we'll pull out of Iraq.

I also thought we'd have the MTN on satellite before last football season.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

If I say I agree with Seattle am I damned to hell?

No, but you'll turn into a Husker or a Longhorn.

[BigFatMeanie]

Originally Posted by BlueK

That's it. I'm outta here for sure now. The anti-immigration sentiment I think is emotionally charged and illogical. We need policy that works WITH and not against economics. Even opponents admit immigration is what business wants. Since when does a good republican support policies that will hurt and punish business or try to argue that what's good for business is bad for the rest of the country. That's socialist philosophy.

We agree on this. I just don't understand the conservative/republican obsession with immigration. Being the greedy capitalist pig that I am, I'm all for cheap labor and I don't mind the increase in housing prices now that I've already settled into my house of the next 20 years.

"But all those illegal immigrants tax our social welfare programs" whine opponents of amnesty/guest workers. Of course, the obvious solution from a greedy capitalist pig standpoint is not to limit immigration - the obvious solution is to get rid of the social services!

[BigFatMeanie]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

I'm sorry to disagree, BFM. And frankly, I'm a little insulted. If you research the matter, and trust me, I've spent wayyyyyyy too much time reading about this stuff, it becomes really clear that Mitt redefines his positions for the constituency to which he is advertising. To argue otherwise is absurd.

Let me reiterate: this is his right and perhaps that's what successful politicians do, but there's no point in denying it.

Mitt has reversed positions on
~abortion
~civil unions
~gun control
~campaign finance reform
~the Bush tax cut
~immigration legislation
~the Department of Education (he once suggested abolishing it on states rights grounds, now he says he's a "huge supporter" of No Child Left Behind.)

I was asking for examples/links - I wasn't just going to take your word on it. I believed that the media drumbeat about Romneys flip-floppiness was without evidence. I believed this largely because I hadn't seen any evidence (and the one link you gave didn't really provide any). Thus, I was prepared to give Romney the benefit of the doubt until shown evidence to the contrary.

Cali has done a good job of providing evidence:

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Here is an article about his newly adopted belief on immigration:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...n_immigration/

Here is a link on his position on Bush's tax cuts that has changed:

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_poli...or_romney.html

And this one is amusing on campaign finance reform:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktH1FpNqlOc
http://concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs....TORY/704270359

This isn't to say I think he is worse at it than any other politician. But he is at least as guilty as any other politician, and statements to the contrary are disingenuous.

Thanks for the links Cali - evidence is what I was asking for and evidence you provided. I would say there is at least one additional genuine flip among the above listed links. That brings us to a total of a least three legitimate flips (arguably more but there isn't any need to argue them because three is enough). Drum roll...

I now concede that Romney is a bona-fide Flip-Flopper (but he still has the most presidential hair )

That being said, I make no apologies about the fact that I asked for proof. If people didn't/don't like the fact that I asked for proof then there isn't much I can do about that. So be it.

Cheers,

BFM

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie

That being said, I make no apologies about the fact that I asked for proof. If people didn't/don't like the fact that I asked for proof then there isn't much I can do about that. So be it

I apologize that I lazed out on you and did not link earlier. Frankly, it takes a bit of time to put the sources together...I'm not being paid for research anymore...and after three weeks of arguing with SoonerCoug about this issue, I'm just plain bored of it. But I would provide secondary sources if anyone really cared.

[BarbaraGordon]

I've been trying to find a good analysis to summarize my feelings on the matter of the GOP nomination.

I think I've finally got it.

from:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2s7uwmJKtgk

Where have all the good men gone
And where are all the gods?
Where's the street-wise Hercules
To fight the rising odds?
Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed?
Late at night I toss and turn and dream
of what I need

I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night
He's gotta be strong
And he's gotta be fast
And he's gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero