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Indy Coug · 07-20-2007, 08:25 PM

It's not the message, it's how it's delivered.

FMCoug · 07-20-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Sounds like she was out of line.

I've lived in Utah County for a long time and never witnessed anything close to that. Really, Utah County is not that bad of place, guys.

I'm starting to feel guilty.

I lived in 2 wards in Utah post college.

The first was in SLC and was full of people that were all related. I think there was maybe 10 extended families that made up the whole ward. When we moved in (a rented duplex), there were people mad because we rented it "out from under" their kids who were trying to get in. Another sister asked my wife who we were related to and when she said nobody she asked "well then what are you doing in the ward?" Another time, a member introduced herself and asked where we were living. When we told her, she said "oh, you're just renters" and turned and walked away. I could go on an on about that ward.

The second ward was the one in Lehi, whcih was in a brand new neighborhood. We moved there thinking it would be "normal". And maybe it was by Utah standards. But we sure never felt accepted or part of the ward.

Maybe we were just really unlucky both times ... hence the "fleeing the state" comment.

MikeWaters · 07-20-2007, 08:32 PM

but your knowledge of all your ward members in Texas whether they are of pioneer stock or not makes us suspicious that you are over-sensitive.

Indy Coug · 07-20-2007, 08:32 PM

I never felt a part of a Utah ward, but we lived in apartments the whole time and I think people decide it's not worth investing the time to bond socially with you when they know you're likely a short-timer.

Not excusing it, but I understand it. Those wards' HT% was beyond abysmal too.

Clark Addison · 07-20-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Sounds like she was out of line.

I've lived in Utah County for a long time and never witnessed anything close to that. Really, Utah County is not that bad of place, guys.

I'm starting to feel guilty.

I liked living in Utah.

FMCoug · 07-20-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

but your knowledge of all your ward members in Texas whether they are of pioneer stock or not makes us suspicious that you are over-sensitive.

I have no such knowledge. But you could be right. We are all framed by our experiences. I had some bad ones early on with the "pioneer stock" types. So perhaps that has made me over-sensitive.

Tex · 07-20-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FMCoug

At minimum, the Bishop should have stood up and mentioned that it was inappropriate to use testimony meeting as a pulpit for what was clearly a political issue.

I agree.

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

and lacking that, I find what FMCoug did to not only be appropriate, but also courageous and correct.

As I've been learning lately, sometimes it's better to just let the dogs bark, rather than barking back and making more noise.

Not intending to compare FM to a dog, by the way.

Requiem · 07-20-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FMCoug

Maybe we were just really unlucky both times ... hence the "fleeing the state" comment.

I experienced similar situations living in resident UT wards after grad school. Thankfully I find a semblance of normalcy in student/single wards. It is ironic that members of resident wards consider themselves to be "normal" and singles are considered an aberration and nuisance - kind of like the homeless

. Out of sight and mind, we are ok.

MikeWaters · 07-20-2007, 08:44 PM

A single in my ward bore his testimony and thanked everyone in the ward for being there and helping him "especially the ones that know my name."

Maybe a little jab, but not an inappropriate one. We should all work to get to know one another.

Luckily I knew his name.

il Padrino Ute · 07-21-2007, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FMCoug

I lived in 2 wards in Utah post college.

The first was in SLC and was full of people that were all related. I think there was maybe 10 extended families that made up the whole ward. When we moved in (a rented duplex), there were people mad because we rented it "out from under" their kids who were trying to get in. Another sister asked my wife who we were related to and when she said nobody she asked "well then what are you doing in the ward?" Another time, a member introduced herself and asked where we were living. When we told her, she said "oh, you're just renters" and turned and walked away. I could go on an on about that ward.

The second ward was the one in Lehi, whcih was in a brand new neighborhood. We moved there thinking it would be "normal". And maybe it was by Utah standards. But we sure never felt accepted or part of the ward.

Maybe we were just really unlucky both times ... hence the "fleeing the state" comment.

Where is SLC was this ward?

07-20-2007, 08:25 PM	#11
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	It's not the message, it's how it's delivered.

07-20-2007, 08:32 PM	#13
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	but your knowledge of all your ward members in Texas whether they are of pioneer stock or not makes us suspicious that you are over-sensitive.

07-20-2007, 08:44 PM	#19
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	A single in my ward bore his testimony and thanked everyone in the ward for being there and helping him "especially the ones that know my name." Maybe a little jab, but not an inappropriate one. We should all work to get to know one another. Luckily I knew his name.