Could we get Pastor Wright a reality TV show

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by KiteRider

Wright didn't say that.

He pretty much did. But so did conservative hero Ron Paul.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

I really enjoy hearing Mormons, of all groups, getting upset about comments from a spiritual leader that were offensive or that called into question the greatness of the nation. I suggest you read your own church's history before deciding the level of inappropriateness of Wright's statements.

As for Hagee's comments, I find them far more offensive than Wright's. I assume when you say they "pale in comparison," that means you don't actually know what Hagee has said. Should I post a list of his greatest hits?

You are now back to saying it is purely a judgement issue with Obama. I am having a hard time keeping up with your evolving arguments. Does McCain suffer from a lapse in judgement with Hagee/Falwell? If not, why? What is the difference? You want to make it out to be an issue of length of time, but that would seem to only indicate that Obama's judgement was poor for a long time (and now corrected) and that McCain's is poor for a short time (including now). Not sure that advances your case.

You can come out of the closet now, your supreme leader has spoken. You can now safely distance yourself from Rev Wright and call him the bigot that he is.

Just search this database to see how I feel about The Church's record on race.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by KiteRider

I can understand how people would misconstrue this statement. But Wright isn't talking about cause and effect here. He is talking about the sins of our country and the suffering that our country has caused in the rest of the world. He is encouraging his congregation to reflect on the pain of 9/11 so that we might all walk more gently in this world with a greater sensitivity to pain that we might be causing others.

I can definitely see how many would interpret his statement to be about causality, like when Pat Robertson said that 9/11 was the result of American attitudes about homosexuality and abortion (or whatever he said). But this isn't Wright's point here.

So Rev Wright okay and Rev Ropertson not?

[BigFatMeanie]

Originally Posted by KiteRider

I agree with everything that I have heard Wright say with the exception of his idiotic view on the origins of AIDS.

I can overlook one retarded idea if the rest of the man measures up, and the Wright I have seen in public seems like an incredibly patriotic and honorable figure.

IPU already pointed out the 9/11 thing. Are you saying you agree with Wright that black children's brains function differently than white children's brains? That there is some evolutionary thing that makes black children learn differently than white children?

Are you saying you agree with Wright that U.S. policy makers are under the influence of the KKK?

Shall I keep going?

[Tex]

Just so we're clear on the quote here:

We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye. Kids playing in the playground, mothers picking up children after school, civilian, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards? America's chickens are coming home to roost. Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism.

It's inconceivable to me that any clear-thinking person can read/hear that quote and NOT conclude that he was blaming America's actions for what happened on 9/11. Clearly there are millions who do.

You have to be a Kool-Aid drinker of the worst kind to not see this for the anti-Americanism that it is.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

And this does not scare the crap out of you?

What is patriotic about his Marxist attitudes?

you throw that word around so much it's useless

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by KiteRider

Exactly. Wright is right and rob is wrong. Wright is no magical thinker. Black liberation theology is rooted in the practical, not the magical, where Rev Pat's causality statement is definitely rooted in the magical (by which I simply mean bigger cosmic forces punishing us puny humans for our bad behavior).

Funny the clip above cuts off the more subtle point, where Wright talks about America's chickens coming home to roost. The chickens point sounds more like blame, but it isn't.

What specific sins does Rev Wright reference as leading to the 9-11 sins coming come to roost?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

you throw that word around so much it's useless

Wealth redistribution from rich to poor through government intervention. That is Marxism and socialism.

Aristide popularized this through his use of liberation theology. Anybody advocating that makes me think he is wacko and advocating a revolution.

But Pastor Wright is now a neurobiologist and believes the brain cells of blacks are different than those of whites. When Jimmy the Greek said something less offensive, he was excoriated. You liberals are inconsistent as hell.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Wealth redistribution from rich to poor through government intervention. That is Marxism and socialism.

Aristide popularized this through his use of liberation theology. Anybody advocating that makes me think he is wacko and advocating a revolution.

But Pastor Wright is now a neurobiologist and believes the brain cells of blacks are different than those of whites. When Jimmy the Greek said something less offensive, he was excoriated. You liberals are inconsistent as hell.

OK then thanks for clarifying. I didn't hear him say anything about economic order, so I thought you mean by Marxism people are trapped in a system inherently unequal, of which the only way up is to leave the system.

[ChinoCoug]

Raymond Brown on liberation theology:

ADVOCACY CRITICISM is an umbrella title given to Liberationist, African American, Feminist, and related studies, because the proponents advocate that the results be used to change today's social, political, or religious situation. (A familiar maxim is that liberation of hte oppressed is the only optic through which Scripture should be read.). This approach is defended on the grounds that the Biblical writers and their writings were not without their own advocacy, e.g., written by men or church leaders and thus reflecting a patriarchal or ecclesiastical viewpoint.