Surge may be working, says Dem analysts

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Dream on. These people don't cause trouble just because we destablilize the area. It is a religious thing and has been for a long long time. Now oil plays a big part.

Did you know Japan attacked us over oil. Can you imagine how the Mid East folks will play the oil card on us if we give in to all their demands.

so the innocent people should be humiliated, tormented ,intimidated and killed becuase they are guilty of having oil and might be (in infinte possibility) playing oil card on you ?? what a christ-like idealogy.

i really wish we hadnot had oil ,so we would have been left alone ..well hopefully.

[Indy Coug]

The lion's share of the killing of the "innocent" is Muslim on Muslim violence.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Tex

The training, planning, funding, and recruiting did not happen inside the United States, nor were any of them US citizens. Immigration laws do need to be fixed and/or properly enforced (were you asleep during that debate?), but that's only a part of the solution.

It's folly to sit around waiting for them to sneak past us and do real damage. If we force them to fight on their own turf, they will be too busy to come over onto ours.

I believe our tactics will create fighters out of otherwise peaceful people.

[SteelBlue]

Back to the original point of the thread, namely the surge being somewhat of a success; that's great news. My memory is that most on this board supported the surge. I am however too lazy to go back and confirm that I'm right.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

I believe our tactics will create fighters out of otherwise peaceful people.

There's always a trade-off.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

The lion's share of the killing of the "innocent" is Muslim on Muslim violence.

I agree. Let them sort it out. Why give them a common enemy?

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

so the innocent people should be humiliated, tormented ,intimidated and killed becuase they are guilty of having oil and might be (in infinte possibility) playing oil card on you ?? what a christ-like idealogy.

i really wish we hadnot had oil ,so we would have been left alone ..well hopefully.

You would be left alone. Take Darfur for example. No oil, no response. If Darfur had oil, we'd be all over it.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

No. That's a cease-fire, not a cease-fire agreement.

Okay. Did you have a point to make in regards to the cease-fire agreement?

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by Tex

damage. If we force them to fight on their own turf, they will be too busy to come over onto ours.

i think this post is the best answer for "muslim" on muslim" violance
thanks Tex!

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

I believe our tactics will create fighters out of otherwise peaceful people.

I don't think that supposition is supported by the evidence, but the outcome is not yet decided. We shall see.

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

so the innocent people should be humiliated, tormented ,intimidated and killed becuase they are guilty of having oil and might be (in infinte possibility) playing oil card on you ?? what a christ-like idealogy.

i really wish we hadnot had oil ,so we would have been left alone ..well hopefully.

If "you" didn't have oil, "you" wouldn't have been able to fund terrorism and thus wouldn't have been as great a threat to "us."

In that sense, I can agree with you.

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

i think this post is the best answer for "muslim" on muslim" violance
thanks Tex!

I was not referring to Muslim on Muslim violence.