Women's suffrage and Mormonism

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by All-American

And since you are both black and a woman, you'll know all about it, right? . . .

This isn't even a close issue. The whole civilized world agrees with me that polygamy, like slavery, is a relic of antiquity and maximally oppressive of women. In fact, has polygamy ever not gone hand in hand with child sexual abuse? Incest as well haunts polygamous societies. Never in the history of the world has polygamy not been taboo in advanced civilizations with representative governments. It didn't exist even in the Roman Empire and one of Christianity's great contributins was to eliminate it in Europe among the erstwhile pagans. It speaks volumes that today polygamy is prevalent mostly in radical Islam and indigenous societies (aside from those disgusting Orthodox Mormons).

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This speaks volumes.

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/31228

Volume II:

http://www.law2.byu.edu/admissions/p...vestudents.php

2007-2008 - 34% Women (click on Law School Profile)

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by YOhio

Volume II:

http://www.law2.byu.edu/admissions/p...vestudents.php

2007-2008 - 34% Women (click on Law School Profile)

That's the same as it was in 2001, and it's terrible. The national average is around 50%.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This isn't even a close issue. The whole civilized world agrees with me that polygamy, like slavery, is a relic of antiquity and maximally oppressive of women. In fact, has polygamy ever not gone hand in hand with child sexual abuse? Incest as well haunts polygamous societies. Never in the history of the world has polygamy not been taboo in advanced civilizations with representative governments. It didn't exist even in the Roman Empire and one of Christianity's great contributins was to eliminate it in Europe among the erstwhile pagans. It speaks volumes that today polygamy is prevalent mostly in radical Islam and indigenous societies (aside from those disgusting Orthodox Mormons).

AH yes, why would the greeks and romans need polygamy when pederasts are accepted and even admired? Are you actually contending, btw, that the form and substance of polygamy practuiced by some tribes in EUrope is the same as polygamy practiced by early mormons?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by creekster

Are you actually contending, btw, that the form and substance of polygamy practuiced by some tribes in EUrope is the same as polygamy practiced by early mormons?

I think you're splitting hairs.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

That's the same as it was in 2001, and it's terrible. The national average is around 50%.

You think women in law school is a good thing? To me, it's a form of idiocy, I wouldn't wish law school upon man, woman or child. Women in the LDS Church are smarter than men, they go to med school or they become metalurgical expert locators.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I think you're splitting hairs.

I don't think I am. I take it you find no difference?

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Moreover, it's hard to argue that Mormonism is this beacon of enlightenment for women when they put up an Aunt Thomasin to speak in the last GC and say that women should all have lots of kids and abandon their career aspirations (today a substantial majority of admittants to elite colleges and universities are women), and laying a guilt trip on women who work full time.

I think Mormonism is pretty darn bad when it comes to women. In fact, I think my two oldest daughters, both of whom are on a trajectory to go to college, have received very confusing and negative examples and object lessons from Mormon acquaintances and family. It pisses a parent off to have to undo harmful effects of such disinformation.

Yea, what a horrible thing for a religion to believe...that women might just be better at raising kids than men are. What an insult to women. To give them such an important role in life. In fact, why should either parent stay home to raise the kids? Why not leave the child rearing to some complete strangers that run day care?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

Yea, what a horrible thing for a religion to believe...that women might just be better at raising kids than men are. What an insult to women. To give them such an important role in life. In fact, why should either parent stay home to raise the kids? Why not leave the child rearing to some complete strangers that run day care?

See, my point exactly. This is what mainstream Mormons believe. They're sexist, myopic, and ignorant when it comes to women.

[DJRoss]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

See, my point exactly. This is what mainstream Mormons believe. They're sexist, myopic, and ignorant when it comes to women.

see the ramifications of your view. To equate an understanding of natural differences (strengths and weaknesses) between men and women as sexist, myopic and ignorant means your ears and eyes are shut.

I heard the same crap being spewed by A Swedish coalition of feminists during the debates on whether Sweden was to join the EU or not. They had traveled down to Greece, Spain and Italy and their rhetoric was filled with the same finger pointing as yours. Oh how these Mediterranean women were oppressed having to stay home and take care of the children, having no college education, no careers, no opportunities to grow, blah blah blah.

The irony is that two major news agencies in Germany and Sweden actually spent some time interviewing women from the above mentioned countries and they were shocked that many of these Spanish, Italian and Greek women would actually point the finger back at the Swedes and claim that the Swedish women were the ones truly oppressed since they had to fill the roles of nurturer and breadwinner. They felt that the pressure these women put on themselves to replace roles that men had filled for so long only served to make them even more unhappy than they already were. These Mediterranean women were clear on how they valued themselves, and how important their role in the lives of their family and society were. The Coalitions work was actually hurt by this exposure, and they quickly disappeared from the media as their arguments didn't hold water. Imagine that. In socialist Sweden where Daddies can get time off of work to be Mr. Mom, and the state funded day care system has all but replaced the nurturing care of parents.

Sometimes when something has been working for thousands of years, trying to change it due to an overinflated ego of self importance and skewed perspectives on the worth of souls (money, prominence, worldly recognition), you have to ask yourself who the backward, myopic, and ignorant people are.