Hillary Clinton is not electable

[FMCoug]

She can win the nomination, but not the general election.


True or False.

[myboynoah]

Three people so far think she can win the election, while my boss (a staunch Democrat) really likes her and is starting to think the same way.

Given all her negatives and polarizing persona, what makes some of you think she can win? Is it that people are tired of Repubs and will take almost anything the Dems will throw out there? Or is Clinton doing something that makes her more electable? It can't be her "warm" personality.

[Archaea]

If I could afford it, I'd move to Monaco in a second if she were to win. I cannot even tolerate looking at her.

The fact that such a negatively polarizing personality can win nomination in our country makes me detest my homeland.

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Archaea

If I could afford it, I'd move to Monaco in a second if she were to win. I cannot even tolerate looking at her.

The fact that such a negatively polarizing personality can win nomination in our country makes me detest my homeland.

I feel the exact same way about Bush. Bush makes me embarrassed to be an American.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

I feel the exact same way about Bush. Bush makes me embarrassed to be an American.

You probably would like him more in person than the public persona. He doesn't take himself seriously, just as you don't take yourself seriously. I wager, if you were sitting in a pub, you'd actually like him. And I'd wager if you spent time with Hillary, you'd grow to dislike her. (of course I've only seen her at a fundraising function but she came off as a self-important bitch).

Hillary is pure unadulterated, stuck on herself bitch. I have no time for a self-important person, and one who is out to destroy the way I and my clients earn a living is public enemy number one.

My guess is, you dislike the caricature of Bush, which mainstream media has successfully attached to his public persona. I dislike many of the policies of his administration.

[FMCoug]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

I feel the exact same way about Bush. Bush makes me embarrassed to be an American.

To me this is kind of the point though. Bush has clearly become a polarizing figure. Whether this is justified or not depends on your politics by and large. But my point is that Hillary is just as polarizing. If the Dems would run a moderate who people like ... they'd win for sure IMO.

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Archaea

You probably would like him more in person than the public persona. He doesn't take himself seriously, just as you don't take yourself seriously. I wager, if you were sitting in a pub, you'd actually like him. And I'd wager if you spent time with Hillary, you'd grow to dislike her. (of course I've only seen her at a fundraising function but she came off as a self-important bitch).

Hillary is pure unadulterated, stuck on herself bitch. I have no time for a self-important person, and one who is out to destroy the way I and my clients earn a living is public enemy number one.

My guess is, you dislike the caricature of Bush, which mainstream media has successfully attached to his public persona. I dislike many of the policies of his administration.

I'm sure I'd like Bush if I were sitting in a pub with him. That's what's great about pubs -- you can have a new best friend every 45 minutes. My problem with Bush, though, has nothing to do with politics. It's just that he is so ill equipped to do the job with which he is tasked. I realize that I could never be President of the United States. I would suck at it, and I'm sure I would screw the country up a lot worse than Bush has. But at least I have the good sense to accept my limitations and not inflict my incompetence on 300,000,000 other Americans.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

I'm sure I'd like Bush if I were sitting in a pub with him. That's what's great about pubs -- you can have a new best friend every 45 minutes. My problem with Bush, though, has nothing to do with politics. It's just that he is so ill equipped to do the job with which he is tasked. I realize that I could never be President of the United States. I would suck at it, and I'm sure I would screw the country up a lot worse than Bush has. But at least I have the good sense to accept my limitations and not inflict my incompetence on 300,000,000 other Americans.

Bush has become a polarizing figure, and has demonstrated the office of President is difficult.

Are you judging because of the Administration's current perceived failings?

How would you judge a successful President or somebody capable enough for the office?

Are you limiting those capable to only those who can manage the PR spins well enough like Teflon dons, Reagan and Clinton? Otherwise everbody else is incapable.

And who wouldn't take a job that would memorialize them for time and all eternity? I can just imagine Bush smoking a dube a Yale with his Kenney bud, saying, "hey, who knows some day and you and could be sitting in the White House, smoking a joint."

Bush is tolerable because he knows it's a game.

All my direct, limited, and indirect, not so limited, info about Hillary scares me. She believes the shit she spews. I don't want a zealot, especially one who opposes almost everything I believe in, low taxes, open markets, trade with China, libertarian ideals (in a limited sense), no government intrusion into affairs, no extra rights, no Patriot Act etc. You can deal with a pragmatic person, it's the zealot that should scare you witless.

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Bush has become a polarizing figure, and has demonstrated the office of President is difficult.

Are you judging because of the Administration's current perceived failings?

How would you judge a successful President or somebody capable enough for the office?

Are you limiting those capable to only those who can manage the PR spins well enough like Teflon dons, Reagan and Clinton? Otherwise everbody else is incapable.

And who wouldn't take a job that would memorialize them for time and all eternity? I can just imagine Bush smoking a dube a Yale with his Kenney bud, saying, "hey, who knows some day and you and could be sitting in the White House, smoking a joint."

Bush is tolerable because he knows it's a game.

All my direct, limited, and indirect, not so limited, info about Hillary scares me. She believes the shit she spews. I don't want a zealot, especially one who opposes almost everything I believe in, low taxes, open markets, trade with China, libertarian ideals (in a limited sense), no government intrusion into affairs, no extra rights, no Patriot Act etc. You can deal with a pragmatic person, it's the zealot that should scare you witless.

I liked Reagan because even though Reagan wasn't the brightest bulb on the tree, at least he had the good sense to surround himself with competent people. Bush, on the other hand, surrounds himself with cronies who are just as ill-equipped to govern as himself. You have to go back to Jimmy Carter to find a President who made as big a mess of the Presidency.

[bluegoose]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

Three people so far think she can win the election, while my boss (a staunch Democrat) really likes her and is starting to think the same way.

Given all her negatives and polarizing persona, what makes some of you think she can win? Is it that people are tired of Repubs and will take almost anything the Dems will throw out there? Or is Clinton doing something that makes her more electable? It can't be her "warm" personality.

I would never vote for her, I think its crazy to think she is unelectable. Many voting Americans are stupid and will believe most anything you tell them. They are told that the Iraq fiasco is the fault of Republicans, thus they turn against the Republican party. If the Dems were in office, you could say the same thing about them.

She is a very polarizing figure, but she is also very, very intelligent. Like most policians, she'll tell the people what they want to hear, all the way the White House. She'll have plenty of financial backing to do so as well.

If she gets the party nod, don't be surprised to see the Oval Office decorated in blue in '08.