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RockyBalboa · 09-17-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I haven't jumped off the Bronco ship. But I have yet to get the feeling that the Cougars have really outdone themselves in a LONG time, under 3 different HCs.

Define outdoing themselves.

MikeWaters · 09-17-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Define outdoing themselves.

beating a better team with sheer hook, crook, desire and gumption.

Indy Coug · 09-17-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

beating a better team with sheer hook, crook, desire and gumption.

Outside of Miami 1990, what game during the LaVell era qualifies under this description?

il Padrino Ute · 09-18-2007, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Outside of Miami 1990, what game during the LaVell era qualifies under this description?

How about Texas A&M when Marc Wilson was QB? Or Notre Dame in South Bend under Holtz? Or Arizona State under Frank Kush before ASU and UA went to the PAC 10? Or several games in the '84 season? Or even Utah in Lavell's last regular season game?

Indy Coug · 09-18-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

How about Texas A&M when Marc Wilson was QB? Or Notre Dame in South Bend under Holtz? Or Arizona State under Frank Kush before ASU and UA went to the PAC 10? Or several games in the '84 season? Or even Utah in Lavell's last regular season game?

A&M ended up not being good in 1979 (6-5). ND was 6-5-1 in 1994. 1984 was the worst SOS schedule BYU has had in the last 27 years. Utah was not better than BYU in 2000.

IOW, none of those outside of possibly the vague ASU/UA example qualifies under the "better team" clause that Mike Waters stated.

MikeWaters · 09-18-2007, 12:53 PM

Wait, we've only had one or two legitimate upsets in 30 years? that's sad.

Indy Coug · 09-18-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Wait, we've only had one or two legitimate upsets in 30 years? that's sad.

There are only 3 OOC opponents that BYU has ever beaten with 9 or more wins. I'm not sure Kansas State qualifies as an upset. ASU 1997 was definitely an upset since that BYU team crawled to a 6-5 record.

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Season	Team	Opponent	PF	PA	W/L	Wins	Losses	Ties
1997	BYU	Arizona St.	13	10	W	9	3	0
1996	BYU	Kansas St.	19	15	W	9	3	0
1990	BYU	Miami (FL)	28	21	W	10	2	0

FMCoug · 09-18-2007, 04:43 PM

I think the comparison works better with Crowton. BYU 2001 = ND 2006. Then the wheels fell off.

SoCalCoug · 09-18-2007, 12:02 AM

No. There was a defensive breakdown, due to the talent level BYU has. I'll give him a mulligan after what he's done to mask the defensive weaknesses over the past year. If they've been playing above their talent level on such a consistent basis, is it really that big of a negative that a good offensive team exposed it?

MikeWaters · 09-18-2007, 12:06 AM

I don't blame the defense per se. I blame the defensive coach. It was mental breakdowns, not athleticism that did us in.

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SoCalCoug Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 3,059	No. There was a defensive breakdown, due to the talent level BYU has. I'll give him a mulligan after what he's done to mask the defensive weaknesses over the past year. If they've been playing above their talent level on such a consistent basis, is it really that big of a negative that a good offensive team exposed it? __________________ Get your stinking paws off me, you damned, dirty Yewt! "Now perhaps as I spanked myself screaming out "Kozlowski, say it like you mean it bitch!" might have been out of line, but such was the mood." - Goatnapper "If you want to fatten a pig up to make the pig MORE delicious, you can feed it almost anything. Seriously. The pig is like the car on Back to the Future. You put in garbage, and out comes something magical!" - Cali Coug

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MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Wait, we've only had one or two legitimate upsets in 30 years? that's sad.

09-18-2007, 04:43 PM	#8
FMCoug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kaysville, UT Posts: 3,151	I think the comparison works better with Crowton. BYU 2001 = ND 2006. Then the wheels fell off.

09-18-2007, 12:06 AM	#10
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I don't blame the defense per se. I blame the defensive coach. It was mental breakdowns, not athleticism that did us in.