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So, what if a patriarch is secretly cheating on his wife and embezzling money while administering blessings? I doubt most men in such a position who are simultaneously committing such sins would admit in an honest moment that they were truly operating under the influence of the Spirit. As to the efficacy of the blessing, my first reaction, more out of sense of God's fairness than out of a specific doctrine, is that the Lord still honors it. This is a natural consequence of allowing imperfect men to administer his gospel, and I think there is room for mercy for all parties when it comes to the outpouring of his spirit. Good question, Ma'ake. Quote:
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I think you and I might be much closer than I originally thought. My thought on it is simple. If a person is trying to apply the atonement in his life, his actions are irrelevant from the position of "worthiness" he is worthy based on that effort and can have the Holy Ghost with him always. For me worthiness isn't a checklist of things done right and wrong. It is a single item and it says "Am I trying to apply the atonement in my life?" Anyone who can honestly check that box can have the constant presence of the Holy Ghost. that is why it is different than just being inspired by the spirit and why it is given to those who have accepted Christ but not to those who haven't.
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Other than that, I think the Spirit will always descend upon a sinful but penitent soul.
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Stop lying, santos. It's old.
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It is probably a pet peeve of folks like Tex that people don't buy his opinions when he has support from his interpretation of the scriptures and the brethern. |
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Then it's a good thing I didn't say that, eh?
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Worthiness is, in my mind, a process (as a practical matter) and thus we shoudl be talking about a continuum instead of a dichotomy. The more obediaent and submissive to the will of God we are the more likely we are to receive psiritual direction or prompting. So, in my mind, it is not a 'pernicious lie' to say the you can't feel the spirit if you are not worthy, alhtough it could be misleading. Instead, thre are far too many factors that are part of the process to allow for such a simple correlation of casue and result. IOW, 'worhtimness' is largely a function of each person's relationship to God. Do you feel worthy? Are you striving to be obediaent? Are you trying to improve or do you know that you are backsliding and you like it? God knows your heart, and He knows His purposes, which he will fulfill in any manner that he sees fit.
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[QUOTE=Tex;179898]I do take for granted that some people don't interpret the scriptures very plainly.
Tex are you ever in a conversation where you say, "this is my opinion of what the scripture means." Or do you always say, " here is what the scripture means." There is a subtle difference there. |
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