02-24-2008, 10:57 PM | #31 |
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Yeah, but more people = more resources. Seems like a weak argument to me.
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02-24-2008, 11:00 PM | #32 |
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One question: In Zion, will all have equal access to medical care, in your opinion?
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I pay too much in taxes right now. I don't want to pay more.
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02-24-2008, 11:09 PM | #35 |
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So you must be outraged that we spend more on defense than the rest of the world combined.
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I can figure out where you're going with this, but I'd rather know that my taxes are going to something that is for national defense than to have to pay more for something that people could get if they did what they needed to do to get it. If people would take advantage of the educational opportunities available, they could better their lives and that betterment would include being able to get health care. As I said, socialized medicine would be yet another expense. I'd rather invest that money in order for my kids to have something for their future.
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http://www.cimca.ca/newsletter/issue04_05.html http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewa...p-surgery.html http://www.embassymag.ca/html/index....ch/28/tourism/ Sample "I was in real pain, and then he told me I had to wait two years, and my life was gone," recalls the mother of three and grandmother of six, who struggled even to get off the couch some days. "My little grandson would come down, and before I got bad, we used to walk all around Chester. "We’d look at the ferry boat and we’d stop and throw things to the birds. I could not do that anymore. Eventually, I could not even get on our boat, walk down to the wharf. (Walking) was an absolute struggle." Others continue to wait. The latest Capital health authority figures put the median wait time for hip replacement at 302 days, well above the medically accepted standard of 180 days. The wait for knee replacement stands at 349 days. As of November 2007, 553 patients were on the list for the hip procedure, while 946 patients waited for knee replacements. And almost 3,700 were still waiting for all orthopedic procedures." http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1039971.html Last edited by hyrum; 02-25-2008 at 12:00 AM. Reason: Added another source article. |
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To add to our anecdotal database: I network online with parents of other kids with with the chromosomal disorder my son has. There are parents from overseas, but for the most part these are American and Canadian parents. The impression that I get is that on a day-to-day basis, these kids are getting better care in Canada, but that when it comes time to schedule a surgery, the kids are often subjected to long waiting times because their surgeries are inevitably classified as "elective." Here in the States, American kids can get the surgeries they need without delay, but have to wait a year or more to get the wheelchairs/walkers/other equipment they need while the insurance companies try to figure out a way to deny the claim; and most of the day-to-day care matters are left up to the parents, with no assistance from either the government or from private insurance. In general, my impression is that Americans who have little need for healthcare are the ones willing to defend our system to the ends of the earth, mostly because they have no first-hand experience with the problems of the system. Personally, I think we should be ashamed that we are the only industrialized nation that fails to provide care for its citizens. Perhaps MRD has a point that the sheer numbers make the matter hopelessly difficult, but my immediate thought is the same as Lebowski's: that this should provide more resources to make the system workable. |
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02-24-2008, 11:43 PM | #40 | |
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I'm not saying that everyone who doesn't have health care deserves it. There are many in a situation in which they are unable to get it. But I feel rather confident that the majority in that situation are there as a result of their own choices. If, after they do all they can do on their own, are unable to get what they need, then I have no problem in finding ways to help them. I'm just tired of doing everything I do in order to take care of me and my family and then being told I have to do more for those who are unwilling to do it as well. I'll suggest the same thing I suggested on utefans in a debate like this. I challenged all those who want socialized medicine to voluntarily pay extra taxes in order to make it happen. Those of us who chose not to won't be able to access that health care. Sound fair?
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