Defense of Marriage

[smokymountainrain]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

They don't go to Gay Pride parades.

Do you have a problem with people who attend or participate in Gay Pride parades?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by smokymountainrain

Do you have a problem with people who attend or participate in Gay Pride parades?

I have an opinion on this. Call on me. Call on me.

I think gay pride parades as they've been done have overall been poor PR for the gay rights movement.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by smokymountainrain

Do you have a problem with people who attend or participate in Gay Pride parades?

Not at all. My wife and I have actually been to 2...one in SF and one in NYC.

I view them as any other parade......boring and pointless. The one thing about Gay Pride parades that troubles me is that from a political standpoint, if the homosexual community is serious about rehabbing its image to the general public, much of the behavior at these parades needs to focus on more positive aspects of the culture, as opposed to the blatant defiance of social mores that is often displayed. I was uncomfortable with much of what I saw, but I would be equally uncomfortable if similar behavior was being exhibited in a heterosexual parade.

The reason I referenced the Gay Pride parade in my post above was to point out that my friends don't really fall into the traditional gay stereotype...flamboyant, activist, etc....here is another shocker....neither one is a particularly snappy dresser. Yikes.

[smokymountainrain]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Not at all. My wife and I have actually been to 2...one in SF and one in NYC.

I view them as any other parade......boring and pointless. The one thing about Gay Pride parades that troubles me is that from a political standpoint, if the homosexual community is serious about rehabbing its image to the general public, much of the behavior at these parades needs to focus on more positive aspects of the culture, as opposed to the blatant defiance of social mores that is often displayed. I was uncomfortable with much of what I saw, but I would be equally uncomfortable if similar behavior was being exhibited in a heterosexual parade.

The reason I referenced the Gay Pride parade in my post above was to point out that my friends don't really fall into the traditional gay stereotype...flamboyant, activist, etc....here is another shocker....neither one is a particularly snappy dresser. Yikes.

Good post, DDD.

The one gay guy I have ever known and have considered a friend didn't have the most impressive wardrobe or fashion sense either. It pissed me off. I even told him once "Here I am, a hick mormon boy from Utah hanging out with a gay dude who can't even give me advice on how to dress. Remind me why we're friends".

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by smokymountainrain

Good post, DDD.

The one gay guy I have ever known and have considered a friend didn't have the most impressive wardrobe or fashion sense either. It pissed me off. I even told him once "Here I am, a hick mormon boy from Utah hanging out with a gay dude who can't even give me advice on how to dress. Remind me why we're friends".

Well, maybe he was a good ballroom dancer?

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Not at all. My wife and I have actually been to 2...one in SF and one in NYC.

I view them as any other parade......boring and pointless. The one thing about Gay Pride parades that troubles me is that from a political standpoint, if the homosexual community is serious about rehabbing its image to the general public, much of the behavior at these parades needs to focus on more positive aspects of the culture, as opposed to the blatant defiance of social mores that is often displayed. I was uncomfortable with much of what I saw, but I would be equally uncomfortable if similar behavior was being exhibited in a heterosexual parade.

The reason I referenced the Gay Pride parade in my post above was to point out that my friends don't really fall into the traditional gay stereotype...flamboyant, activist, etc....here is another shocker....neither one is a particularly snappy dresser. Yikes.

When was the last time you saw a parade designed for "heterosexual" pride?

On 2nd thought...don't answer that.

[smokymountainrain]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Well, maybe he was a good ballroom dancer?

His actual answer: I'm just letting you hang out with me until I convince you that mormonism is a farce; and once I accomplish that, you will be friendless once more.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

When was the last time you saw a parade designed for "heterosexual" pride?

On 2nd thought...don't answer that.

The first portion of this clip shows a parade moment that gave hope to all heterosexual men in the world...anyone can dance!

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by smokymountainrain

His actual answer: I'm just letting you hang out with me until I convince you that mormonism is a farce; and once I accomplish that, you will be friendless once more.

That person had an agenda. It was called "Operation: Date SMR"

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Come on. There's no "appeasing" those who want a constitutional amendment. That's the whole point of the amendment. Most these people who want it live in places where they'll never legalize gay marriage anyway. That's not good enough for them. They don't want it anywhere in America. I just hope that the American people retain the good sense not to amend the Constitution.

I'll meet them halfway, though. This is actually more of a state's rights issue for me, believe it or not. If Utahns don't want to legalize gay marriage, where I sit right now I'm not ready to get to fired up to want Congress to make them do it with a federal civil rights statute. (I could change my mind.) But it really enrages me that people in Utah or Alabama or the LDS Church want to tell California or Washington they can't marry gay people or recognize gay marriages. It doubly froths me that they just feel that way becuase they're getting reinforcement of their prejudices since childhood from over the pulpit.

I don't live in Utah or Alabama for a reason, and I don't want to contend with what I regard as their backward mores where I live. For aesthetic reasons, I'd like to see the Bill of Rights remain pristine in terms of protecting not anywhere abridging civil liberties.

I forgot that you're still concerned about a marriage amendment. IMO, that's about as politically practical as a Right to Life amendment. Strategically SSM supporters should hope that the marriage amendment picks up noticable steam as it would force those the fence sitters to take a side. Even a 50/50 split would be a victory for the SSM supporters, ensuring the status quo where SSM would be determined at a state level.

I could certainly live with this matter remaining a state's rights issue. As it currently stands, I see it as an ideal solution.

I do warn you from getting too smug about the progressivism of your fellow Washingtonians. Your state passed DOMA legislation in 1998 and it has been upheld by the WA Supreme Court.