Blacks, apologies, and reparations

[TripletDaddy]

Maybe I am misunderstanding Lingo's logic, but is it analogous to say that as bad as the Jews had it in the Holocaust (and it was terrible), they are much better off overall today because the net result was an official Jewish state and re-occupation of their homeland? Please tell me I am missing Lingo's point entirely here.

It seems that any serious analysis of slavery should not be mitigated by the inclusion of a "hey, lets look on the bright side of things..." rationalization.

Slavery ranks up there with the big boys in history.....inquisition, holocaust, stalin executing cossacks, and the serious Brady Bunch spin-off where Mike Brady runs for Congress.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by YOhio

I have no problem with the U.S. Government formally apologizing to those who were forced to endure slavery and I would support such a measure.

When the Illinois Legislature passed a measure of regret for the forced expulsion from Nauvoo, President Hinckley mentioned it in General Conference and said it indicated a change of attitude toward our people. I am hopeful that an apology sanctioned by Congress would communicate the same message to those who have endured centuries of persecution in our country.

beautiful

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by YOhio

I have no problem with the U.S. Government formally apologizing to those who were forced to endure slavery and I would support such a measure.

When the Illinois Legislature passed a measure of regret for the forced expulsion from Nauvoo, President Hinckley mentioned it in General Conference and said it indicated a change of attitude toward our people. I am hopeful that an apology sanctioned by Congress would communicate the same message to those who have endured centuries of persecution in our country.

Very good point.

Missouri's rescinding and condemnation of the Extermination Order was also similarly received, no?

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Maybe I am misunderstanding Lingo's logic, but is it analogous to say that as bad as the Jews had it in the Holocaust (and it was terrible), they are much better off overall today because the net result was an official Jewish state and re-occupation of their homeland? Please tell me I am missing Lingo's point entirely here.

It seems that any serious analysis of slavery should not be mitigated by the inclusion of a "hey, lets look on the bright side of things..." rationalization.

Slavery ranks up there with the big boys in history.....inquisition, holocaust, stalin executing cossacks, and the serious Brady Bunch spin-off where Mike Brady runs for Congress.

America did not have a monopoly on slavery. It existed (and continues to exist) in almost every nation on earth. Why obsess about the United States variety?

The Jews/Holocaust comparison sucks. Were it not for the Holocaust, Jewish families would have remained in their homes in Europe and been just fine.

Also, I'm against the idea of paying reparations to the 4th-generation descendants of Holocaust victims, so there goes hoya's "RACIST!" screech.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Very good point.

Missouri's rescinding and condemnation of the Extermination Order was also similarly received, no?

I almost mentioned this myself, but decided not to. Since YOhio brought it up, I'll just say I found the apology to be pointless. Sure, it was a nice gesture, but no one in Missouri is responsible for what happened, and no Mormon alive today was damaged by it.

It amounts to a little bit of political theater, which is what a slavery apology would amount to.

But if today's blacks get reparations for the federal government's mistakes, I'll be sure to show up at the Missouri Legislature's doorstep to demand mine for theirs.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

America did not have a monopoly on slavery. It existed (and continues to exist) in almost every nation on earth. Why obsess about the United States variety?

The Jews/Holocaust comparison sucks. Were it not for the Holocaust, Jewish families would have remained in their homes in Europe and been just fine.

Also, I'm against the idea of paying reparations to the 4th-generation descendants of Holocaust victims, so there goes hoya's "RACIST!" screech.

you need to be slapped.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by YOhio

I have no problem with the U.S. Government formally apologizing to those who were forced to endure slavery and I would support such a measure.

When the Illinois Legislature passed a measure of regret for the forced expulsion from Nauvoo, President Hinckley mentioned it in General Conference and said it indicated a change of attitude toward our people. I am hopeful that an apology sanctioned by Congress would communicate the same message to those who have endured centuries of persecution in our country.

Game over. In a pen's stroke, Y unmasks the Lingos as hypocritical hate mongers. Time to retire this appalling thread.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

America did not have a monopoly on slavery. It existed (and continues to exist) in almost every nation on earth. Why obsess about the United States variety?

The Jews/Holocaust comparison sucks. Were it not for the Holocaust, Jewish families would have remained in their homes in Europe and been just fine.

Also, I'm against the idea of paying reparations to the 4th-generation descendants of Holocaust victims, so there goes hoya's "RACIST!" screech.

Are you trolling?

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by YOhio

I have no problem with the U.S. Government formally apologizing to those who were forced to endure slavery and I would support such a measure.

When the Illinois Legislature passed a measure of regret for the forced expulsion from Nauvoo, President Hinckley mentioned it in General Conference and said it indicated a change of attitude toward our people. I am hopeful that an apology sanctioned by Congress would communicate the same message to those who have endured centuries of persecution in our country.

Agreed. Tex's arguments against such a measure sound contrived and weak, particularly his claim that it could actually worsen race relations in the US. Congress debating the issue and emphatically deciding NOT to issue an apology seems like the action most likely to be damaging.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Agreed. Tex's arguments against such a measure sound contrived and weak, particularly his claim that it could actually worsen race relations in the US.

Mormon/Missouri relations don't reflect in the least modern black/white relations. The comparison is ludicrous.