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I daresay that we spend more time saying "the church is true" than we do thinking about what that means and what impact such an idea ought to have upon our way of life. Incidentally, I can't specifically recall a general authority saying the specific phrase "the church is true." If one has recently said so, he surely is in the minority. Every instance I can recall is of a much more concrete idea upon which to place one's foot.
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But for those who say it, how can we honestly disagree with them? They are speaking for themselves when they say it. While on my mission, I had a good friend, Anziano (Elder) Fiorelli - we were never companions but lived in the same apartment in three different cities - who was a native Italian. He was a convert and was one of the few people I have known whom I would describe as a spiritual giant. When he bore that he knew of the truthfulness of the Gospel and the restoration, there was absolutely no doubt that he was telling the truth. I've always used the phrase "I believe" when I've stood up in testimony meeting. That works for me. But after being around Pasquale Fiorelli, I have never felt the need to criticize anyone who claimed that they knew something.
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This statement does not make you a mullah. What do you think it mean to say the church is true? It has so many possibilities (many of which have been referenced here) that it is certainly hard to criticize someone else for using the phrase. Who knows what they mean. The real point, I think, is that if you don't want to say it, don't say it. But just as no one should criticize you for saying you have faith the BoM is true, so I think no one should criticize someone else for saying they know the Church is true.
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When I was in the MTC, one of our RM Russian instructors taught us that we should NEVER say "I know the Church is true" in Russian because it sounds stronger in Russian than it does in English, and if we tell Russians that we "know the Church is true" it will just rub them the wrong way.
I've always wondered if this instructor used the language excuse to encourage us to use more moderate language, or if he really believed that "I know the Church is true" sounds less extreme in English than it does in Russian. |
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Missionaries usually disregarded the change and used "Werden Sie" anyway.
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I actually had a SP who made it a point to ask people to be specific in their testimonies. I think it certainly adds to the quality of the testimony. |
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I really don't think that "I know" is any different in English and Russian. I think this Utah boy RM was just surprised by the fact that Russians had such a negative reaction to his "I know" statements. A lot of Americans would have an equally negative reaction, IMO. At the same time, I distinctly remember Russians sharing their conversion stories and mentioning that the first thing that attracted their attention was the fact that the missionaries always said that they knew things that were impossible to know. It piqued their curiosity. |
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