Wall looming before Obama?

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Was last night good news-bad news for Obama? We can discern a trend. Obama invevitably gets well over 90% of the AA vote, and less than 40% of the white vote. The white vote among those voting in democractic primaries, that is. (Virtually all AA are democrats, right?) In states with enough blacks that they can more than make up the deficit in white votes, he wins, e.g., North Carolina. Otherwise, he loses, e.g., Indiana. What does this portend for the general election?

Nothing, since the whites will vote for the Dem if they are Dems.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

It's a shame there hasn't ever been a solid black candidate. That's why I don't vote for the Independent candidate either; because there has never been a solid option.

I think Obama is a solid candidate. He is a solid liberal candidate. Much in the line of Mondale, Carter, Dukakis and Kerry.

I wish the dems and media would gut it up and tell the American public, we want you to take a chance on a liberal, not let's vote for the "black" guy.

If Obama were white and McCain was black, I wouldn't hesitate in the least bit to vote for McCain.

As much as some would like to call people names who won't vote for Obama, his liberalism is his main problem.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Yeah, there is no racism involved in rural whites voting against Obama in droves.

Nevermind, someone already said it.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Here's the difference. Blacks have come out strong for white candidates.

Rural whites have never come out for a black candidate.

When have urban blacks ever come out for a white candidate when a black candidate was a serious contender? I'm not aware of an example.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Nothing, since the whites will vote for the Dem if they are Dems.

Will he get less then 40% of the white vote when Republicans and Libertarians are thrown into the mix?

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

When have urban blacks ever come out for a white candidate when a black candidate was a serious contender? I'm not aware of an example.

if the black candidate is Republican, it'll not happen for sure.

e.g. Michael Steele

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Archaea

There may be some racism in their selection but you can't deny a black candidate who stays black on the issues also creates some of the problem of failing to transcend his subculture.

A candidate who stays "black" on the issues? Failing to transcend his subculture? When was the last time a republican candidate didn't stay "white" on the issues? Hell, republicans don't even bother to recruit the black vote because they know they have little to offer.

I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but you shouldn't suggest that Obama is somehow singular because he chooses to pander to his constituents.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

A candidate who stays "black" on the issues? Failing to transcend his subculture? When was the last time a republican candidate didn't stay "white" on the issues? Hell, republicans don't even bother to recruit the black vote because they know they have little to offer.

I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but you shouldn't suggest that Obama is somehow singular because he chooses to pander to his constituents.

Whoa, wait a minute. Republicans have made massive efforts at courting the black vote, especially under George Bush. That little doozy alone calls your credibility on this issue into question.

As for staying "white" on the issues ... it's a poor comparison because whites are the majority race. We don't speak of the "white community" (as such), celebrate White History Month, or watch White Entertainment Television. Blacks have identified themselves as a separate political group and been very in-your-face about it too. This automatically puts a stigma on a black candidate as it concerns whites, and fairly so.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

A candidate who stays "black" on the issues? Failing to transcend his subculture? When was the last time a republican candidate didn't stay "white" on the issues? Hell, republicans don't even bother to recruit the black vote because they know they have little to offer.

I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but you shouldn't suggest that Obama is somehow singular because he chooses to pander to his constituents.

Republicans would fall all over themselves to get an acceptable black candidate. You'd see one big circle jerk if one materialized.

The issue is this, if one is black and black in terms of cultural identity not in terms of skin color, one is already insular and disconnected from the majority.

Many white subcultures are already connected to the majority, so for a white candidate to reach out to blacks, he is necessarily narrowing himself.

Minorities need to shed their ethnic status to join the majority but the majority do not need to become ethnic to attract the minorities, they must merely retain majority issues so that if and wen minorities are attracted to majority issues, they have them ready to offer.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Republicans would fall all over themselves to get an acceptable black candidate. You'd see one big circle jerk if one materialized.

The issue is this, if one is black and black in terms of cultural identity not in terms of skin color, one is already insular and disconnected from the majority.

Many white subcultures are already connected to the majority, so for a white candidate to reach out to blacks, he is necessarily narrowing himself.

Minorities need to shed their ethnic status to join the majority but the majority do not need to become ethnic to attract the minorities, they must merely retain majority issues so that if and wen minorities are attracted to majority issues, they have them ready to offer.

Absolutely. Black republicans are heroes in the party. JC Watts, Condi Rice, General Powell, Steele, Clarence Thomas. Culturally it is tough for them to break away from the democratic party.