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Cali Coug · 06-09-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

You can't be seriously arguing this, are you? Really?

Wrong. I have the entire Restoration.

Isn't the restoration a point supporting our position? How long did it take for the restoration to occur?

Sleeping in EQ · 06-09-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Well, that is the same argument that protestant Christians make about the Bible.

Another argument might say that it is because of our wickedness that we do not receive more revelation.

Good points. I'll add that the "wickdness leads to less (or a stoppage of) revelation" assertion isn't born out in the scriptures. It is during times of extreme wickedness, say, for example, just before Jerusalem is sacked by the Babylonians, that you get prophecy in spades: Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lehi and so on.

I should also add, though, that those writings probably would not have been considered authoritative in a major way until much later. I believe the minor prophets were collected and deemed authoritative in the second century BC.

Cali Coug · 06-09-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

Good points. I'll add that the "wickdness leads to less (or a stoppage of) revelation" assertion isn't born out in the scriptures. It is during times of extreme wickedness, say, for example, just before Jerusalem is sacked by the Babylonians, that you get prophecy in spades: Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lehi and so on.

But that could also be because wickedness led to an end of the scriptures (making it harder to record!).

Sleeping in EQ · 06-09-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

But that could also be because wickedness led to an end of the scriptures (making it harder to record!).

I'm thinking along similar lines. I added a few sentences in an edit.

Tex · 06-09-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Isn't the restoration a point supporting our position? How long did it take for the restoration to occur?

Are you even reading Indy's posts?

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Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

I think members of the church still have a voice, they've just been shamed and brow-beaten into not using it because leaders find it inconvenient.

It's almost as though the concept of priesthood authority has been lost on this group.

Spaz · 06-09-2008, 04:09 PM

Despite historical precedences, and how well they fit this occurrence, the underlying question is logical and brings into question the Lord's purposes pertaining to the Gospel, assuming that this is in fact the Lord's church.

It seems to me you can break the question down as follows, if you are assuming that the Lord never initiated the ban:

-Did the prophets, prior to the lifting of the ban, ask for guidance on the subject?

-If not, then the persistence of the ban is easily placed on the shoulders of those prophets.

-If so (and it appears there's evidence that this is the case), then the question Tex & Indy seem to be asking seems relevant: Why would the Lord NOT lift the ban?

MikeWaters · 06-09-2008, 04:13 PM

Does the Lord really not want powerpoint slides in sacrament meeting?

Are we talking about a Lord that is approving or disapproving of meeting schedules, curricula, music policies, and that ilk?

Indy Coug · 06-09-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Does the Lord really not want powerpoint slides in sacrament meeting?

Are we talking about a Lord that is approving or disapproving of meeting schedules, curricula, music policies, and that ilk?

Do you honestly think that is a valid analogy?

MikeWaters · 06-09-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Do you honestly think that is a valid analogy?

So you agree that the Lord is not involved in many of these official pronouncements that go to every unit in the church from the First Presidency.

Jeff Lebowski · 06-09-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaz

Despite historical precedences, and how well they fit this occurrence, the underlying question is logical and brings into question the Lord's purposes pertaining to the Gospel, assuming that this is in fact the Lord's church.

It seems to me you can break the question down as follows, if you are assuming that the Lord never initiated the ban:

-Did the prophets, prior to the lifting of the ban, ask for guidance on the subject?

-If not, then the persistence of the ban is easily placed on the shoulders of those prophets.

-If so (and it appears there's evidence that this is the case), then the question Tex & Indy seem to be asking seems relevant: Why would the Lord NOT lift the ban?

The evidence that the prophets prior to SWK made a serious effort to reverse the ban is very weak.

06-09-2008, 04:09 PM	#36
Spaz Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,371	Despite historical precedences, and how well they fit this occurrence, the underlying question is logical and brings into question the Lord's purposes pertaining to the Gospel, assuming that this is in fact the Lord's church. It seems to me you can break the question down as follows, if you are assuming that the Lord never initiated the ban: -Did the prophets, prior to the lifting of the ban, ask for guidance on the subject? -If not, then the persistence of the ban is easily placed on the shoulders of those prophets. -If so (and it appears there's evidence that this is the case), then the question Tex & Indy seem to be asking seems relevant: Why would the Lord NOT lift the ban? __________________ "My days of not respecting you are certainly coming to a middle." -Malcolm Reynolds "It doesn't mean that if we lose a game or when we lose a game people won't then jump on and say the quest is over. Because they will. But they've missed the point." -Bronco Mendenhall on "The Quest"

06-09-2008, 04:13 PM	#37
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Does the Lord really not want powerpoint slides in sacrament meeting? Are we talking about a Lord that is approving or disapproving of meeting schedules, curricula, music policies, and that ilk?