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MikeWaters · 06-09-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

The evidence that the prophets prior to SWK made a serious effort to reverse the ban is very weak.

and HBL said that it would not be reversed while he was alive.

He was right. That his time as prophet was so short shocked everyone. He was expected to live another 20 years.

Adam has suggested there is a connection. I do not. I merely point out that he would have likely opposed removing the ban for the rest of his life, and had it been 20 years, we would be in 1990 still banning blacks.

Indy Coug · 06-09-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

So you agree that the Lord is not involved in many of these official pronouncements that go to every unit in the church from the First Presidency.

Are meeting schedules and musical policies fundamental moral issues?

Spaz · 06-09-2008, 04:31 PM

Jeff - I don't know anything regarding the strength of the evidences involved. Regardless, the question as stated is sound.

Mike - Whether the Lord was involved in the visual aid pronouncement or not doesn't affect the question of why the Lord wouldn't answer the honest prayer of His Prophet.

MikeWaters · 06-09-2008, 04:34 PM

This comment was deleted/not allowed by Deseret News.

That's why I'm glad that the SL Tribune exists. Some balance to the world.

MikeWaters · 06-09-2008, 04:35 PM

There is nothing more appalling to a prophet than to admit that he or his predecessors were wrong and uninspired on a topic.

That explains the great reluctance.

Archaea · 06-09-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaz

Jeff - I don't know anything regarding the strength of the evidences involved. Regardless, the question as stated is sound.

Mike - Whether the Lord was involved in the visual aid pronouncement or not doesn't affect the question of why the Lord wouldn't answer the honest prayer of His Prophet.

We don't know enough about God, but perhaps we can make assumptions which seem valid to me.

If God is the author of this world and is the Creator of all humanity, one would suppose like any father that he loves all and favors none. In that sense, God must be the ultimate non-racist.

The priesthood ban arose out of the curse of Cain mentality and was racist.

The reason members struggle with the possibility of such an egregious error being made by leaders is the unproven assumption that God intervenes and directs the leaders like a puppetmaster over the marionettes. He does not.

And our leaders are no better than our followers, just different skills.

Indy Coug · 06-09-2008, 04:36 PM

Article title: Black Leaders Call for Spirit of Unity

The comment seems off-topic to me.

Archaea · 06-09-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

There is nothing more appalling to a prophet than to admit that he or his predecessors were wrong and uninspired on a topic.

That explains the great reluctance.

We believe God is a virtual puppetmaster, not a delegator, waiting for people to return and report.

Indy Coug · 06-09-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

We believe God is a virtual puppetmaster, not a delegator, waiting for people to return and report.

Do we believe that God isn't chief executive that reviews results and outlines the course of action and then holds his employees accountable for their actions and progress towards those goals?

Archaea · 06-09-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Do we believe that God isn't chief executive that reviews results and outlines the course of action and then holds his employees accountable for their actions and progress towards those goals?

HE is not a control freak, but allows much more to occur than a typical executive.

06-09-2008, 04:31 PM	#43
Spaz Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,371	Jeff - I don't know anything regarding the strength of the evidences involved. Regardless, the question as stated is sound. Mike - Whether the Lord was involved in the visual aid pronouncement or not doesn't affect the question of why the Lord wouldn't answer the honest prayer of His Prophet. __________________ "My days of not respecting you are certainly coming to a middle." -Malcolm Reynolds "It doesn't mean that if we lose a game or when we lose a game people won't then jump on and say the quest is over. Because they will. But they've missed the point." -Bronco Mendenhall on "The Quest"

06-09-2008, 04:34 PM	#44
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	This comment was deleted/not allowed by Deseret News. That's why I'm glad that the SL Tribune exists. Some balance to the world.

06-09-2008, 04:35 PM	#45
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	There is nothing more appalling to a prophet than to admit that he or his predecessors were wrong and uninspired on a topic. That explains the great reluctance.

06-09-2008, 04:36 PM	#47
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Article title: Black Leaders Call for Spirit of Unity The comment seems off-topic to me.