Suicide and homosexuality

[exUte]

"In 1958 McConkie, who was at the time a member of the First Council of the Seventy of the LDS Church, published a book entitled Mormon Doctrine: A Compendium of the Gospel, which he described as "the first major attempt to digest, explain, and analyze all of the important doctrines of the kingdom" and "the first extensive compendium of the whole gospel—the first attempt to publish an encyclopedic commentary covering the whole field of revealed religion." He included a disclaimer that he alone was responsible for the doctrinal and scriptural interpretations, a practice unusual at the time.[1]

In writing the book, McConkie relied heavily upon the scriptures and recognized doctrinal authorities including, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Orson Pratt, John Taylor, and Joseph Fielding Smith.[1]

On January 5, 1959, Apostle Marion G. Romney was assigned by President David O. McKay to read and report on the book. His report was delivered on January 28, which mainly "dealt with Elder McConkie's usage of forceful, blunt language; some strongly worded statements about ambiguous doctrine and matters of opinion; and the overall authoritative tone throughout the book, though in general Romney had a high regard for Mormon Doctrine and felt it filled an evident need remarkably well."[1] The report concluded, "notwithstanding its many commendable and valuable features and the author’s assumption of ‘sole and full responsibility’ for it, its nature and scope and the authoritative tone of the style in which it is written pose the question as to the propriety of the author’s attempting such a project without assignment and supervision from him whose right and responsibility it is to speak for the Church on 'Mormon Doctrine.'"

Nearly a year later, after meeting to discuss the book, the January 8, 1960 office notes of McKay reflect that:

"We [the First Presidency of the Church] decided that Bruce R. McConkie’s book, ‘Mormon Doctrine’ recently published by Bookcraft Company, must not be re-published, as it is full of errors and misstatements, and it is most unfortunate that it has received such wide circulation. It is reported to us that Brother McConkie has made corrections to his book, and is now preparing another edition. We decided this morning that we do not want him to publish another edition."[2]

Apostle Mark Petersen had also read the book and marked 1067 corrections in his copy[2]. McKay called Joseph Fielding Smith on January 27, 1960 at 3:00 p.m. to inform him of the decision to not allow further publication of the book:"

1) So BRM was NOT an apostle a the time he wrote the book.
2) Church leadership did not agree with everything he wrote. In fact found many errors.
3) BRM clearly stated these were HIS opinions.

What is the big hullabaloo?

[exUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

If you combine these little pieces of evidence

1. extraordinary emotional insensitivity about suicide
2. lack of the most basic common courtesy towards his wife
3. his interest in cataloging all Mormon beliefs and doctrine

You may actually come up with someone who is on the autistic continuum, I think it was Lebowski who suggested it was "Aspergerian."

If true, I don't see this as condemnatory, I see this as merely explanatory--that the worst of BRM was possibly the product of a form of mental illness, that was far from his control.

1) You didn't read EVERYTHING he wrote about suicide. I quoted another example of his views. Don't pick and choose to make your point.

2) Unsubstantiated Mormon folklore. Google search turned up NOTHING.

3) He clearly stated that what was written in Mormon Doctrine were HIS views and didn't represent the Church's position. Which is why the Church, yes that evil Church, had the book pulled.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by exUte

"In 1958 McConkie, who was at the time a member of the First Council of the Seventy of the LDS Church, published a book entitled Mormon Doctrine: A Compendium of the Gospel, which he described as "the first major attempt to digest, explain, and analyze all of the important doctrines of the kingdom" and "the first extensive compendium of the whole gospel—the first attempt to publish an encyclopedic commentary covering the whole field of revealed religion." He included a disclaimer that he alone was responsible for the doctrinal and scriptural interpretations, a practice unusual at the time.[1]

In writing the book, McConkie relied heavily upon the scriptures and recognized doctrinal authorities including, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Orson Pratt, John Taylor, and Joseph Fielding Smith.[1]

On January 5, 1959, Apostle Marion G. Romney was assigned by President David O. McKay to read and report on the book. His report was delivered on January 28, which mainly "dealt with Elder McConkie's usage of forceful, blunt language; some strongly worded statements about ambiguous doctrine and matters of opinion; and the overall authoritative tone throughout the book, though in general Romney had a high regard for Mormon Doctrine and felt it filled an evident need remarkably well."[1] The report concluded, "notwithstanding its many commendable and valuable features and the author’s assumption of ‘sole and full responsibility’ for it, its nature and scope and the authoritative tone of the style in which it is written pose the question as to the propriety of the author’s attempting such a project without assignment and supervision from him whose right and responsibility it is to speak for the Church on 'Mormon Doctrine.'"

Nearly a year later, after meeting to discuss the book, the January 8, 1960 office notes of McKay reflect that:

"We [the First Presidency of the Church] decided that Bruce R. McConkie’s book, ‘Mormon Doctrine’ recently published by Bookcraft Company, must not be re-published, as it is full of errors and misstatements, and it is most unfortunate that it has received such wide circulation. It is reported to us that Brother McConkie has made corrections to his book, and is now preparing another edition. We decided this morning that we do not want him to publish another edition."[2]

Apostle Mark Petersen had also read the book and marked 1067 corrections in his copy[2]. McKay called Joseph Fielding Smith on January 27, 1960 at 3:00 p.m. to inform him of the decision to not allow further publication of the book:"

1) So BRM was NOT an apostle a the time he wrote the book.
2) Church leadership did not agree with everything he wrote. In fact found many errors.
3) BRM clearly stated these were HIS opinions.

What is the big hullabaloo?

thanks again for the lack of attribution, moron.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

thanks again for the lack of attribution, moron.

for your edification.........bigger moron. What was your point?

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

thanks again for the lack of attribution, moron.

He leaves you no choice. You must suspend him or risk losing credibility...forever.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by YOhio

He leaves you no choice. You must suspend him or risk losing credibility...forever.

attribute his reference? Oh, I didn't think so.

Pick and choose.

BTW.......here's a real abstract on suicide in Utah. What do you glean from this?

http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/ajep/ab...195628!8091!-1

[exUte]

Originally Posted by ERCougar

This has probably been posted here somewhere before, but I just came across this for the first and was floored...

Utah leads the nation in suicide rates among men 15-24 and 1/3 of these are tied to issues of homosexuality.

Wow.

EDIT:
And later in the article, this gem from BRM:
"Suicide is murder, pure and simple, and murderers are damned. There is no more justification for self-murder than for the wilful destruction of another. There is a common and supposedly compassionate tendency on the part of many to reason that all who commit suicide must be mentally unbalanced and that therefore they are not accountable for their crimes…..But the great probability is that nearly all self-murderers–though they may be depressed an mentally ill–do in fact know right from wrong, the same as most killers do. No murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."

C'mon man. "Attribute"!

[Indy Coug]

Mike, when you're getting your ass kicked by exUte, you know it's time to hang up the cleats. You sure had a good run though.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Mike, when you're getting your ass kicked by exUte, you know it's time to hang up the cleats. You sure had a good run though.

Tired of folklore and unsubstantiated (or misleading) slams on the Church. If they are factual, you can deal with those. But some are hell bent on propogating lies and falsehoods..........those are my favorite targets.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Mike, when you're getting your ass kicked by exUte, you know it's time to hang up the cleats. You sure had a good run though.

Wow. You are supposedly an educated professional. There is a big difference between "I head such and such" versus copy and pasting several paragraphs without attribution.

Are you really that big of a dumb ass?

(the answer is "yes", folks).