7 Demons of Mary??

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by jay santos

Also, why is this inappropriate for a sacrament talk?

Should we let people start reading stuff willy-nilly from the Apocrypha?

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Should we let people start reading stuff willy-nilly from the Apocrypha?

I think Elder Holland just opened the door for that didn't he?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

I think Elder Holland just opened the door for that didn't he?

Link?

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Should we let people start reading stuff willy-nilly from the Apocrypha?

It's not apocrypha, at least what I got from Drum's post. It's right out of the KJV. I didn't hear the talk, but the concept of a "Mary moment" I think is a great idea. And to interplay that with her seven demon thing, which was cured by Jesus as a metaphor for healing/repentance/atonement would make a great sacrament talk. Maybe I'm missing something here, because it sounds very innocuous the way I'm looking at it.

[pelagius]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Link?

I think you will have to wait for the next Ensign; it was in the last conference; I believe he quoted from Sirach. On the other hand, here is a talk where Elder Nelson quotes from an obscure coptic text (not part of the Apocrypha but definitely apocrypha):

http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/d...1-4-33,00.html

[ute4ever]

At General Conference, Elder Maxwell was prone to quote C.S. Lewis, who (gasp) was not a member. Merlin K. Jensen does as well.

The very concept of a "Mary Moment" regards the atonement and accepting Christ, and it occured during the Easter memorialization. So what if the actual term has not been published by an apostle? The speaker was not praying to Mary, lighting incense or stringing beads around a rosary; rather, he spoke of salvation.

I don't understand why some feel it was inappropriate.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Link?

Here is the link to his conference talk:

http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/d...-690-7,00.html

Here is the quote from that talk:

There is a line from the Apocrypha which puts the seriousness of this issue better than I can. It reads, "The stroke of the whip maketh marks in the flesh: but the stroke of the tongue breaketh the bones."

If you click footnote three you will see that it is from Ecclesiasticus aka The Wisdom of Ben Sira.

[pelagius]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

If you click footnote three you will see that it is from Ecclesiasticus aka The Wisdom of Ben Sira.

You can anyone was wondering based on my claim the quote was from Sirach, Sirach is just another name for the book mention by UtahDan.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by DrumNFeather

He then proceeded to talk about the 7 Demons that overtook mary during the time of the crucifixion and ressurection of Jesus. The culmination of this and the ridding of the Demons was when Jesus found Mary at the seplecure and we know the famous lines of scripture that follow.

Luke 8:2 and Mark 16:9 do not claim this with regards to the timing, so I presumed that other apocryphal writings claimed this is when Mary was possessed by Demons.

That's what I'm objecting to here.

As for Bednar or Holland taking some proverb from the Apocrypha or CS Lewis, I see no harm in that, they are hardly using it to introduce doctrine or change our fundamental understanding of the scriptures.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Luke 8:2 and Mark 16:9 do not claim this with regards to the timing, so I presumed that other apocryphal writings claimed this is when Mary was possessed by Demons.

That's what I'm objecting to here.

As for Bednar or Holland taking some proverb from the Apocrypha or CS Lewis, I see no harm in that, they are hardly using it to introduce doctrine or change our fundamental understanding of the scriptures.

I don't see any harm in it either. Just the opposite.