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ute4ever · 03-28-2007, 01:55 AM

Jim Boylen from Michigan State.

I'd prefer not to scroll through Cougarboard to do my own research project; I'd rather have the opinion of those on this site, thanks.

Detroitdad · 03-28-2007, 02:30 AM

His credentials are good and he should be a good x's and o's guy, though probably not to the level of Majerus. The real question will be if he can find a vein of recruits that can put the Utes in sustained prominence. I think it will be a tough job to succeed in a way that is even close to Fatty M. If he does I doubt that he will stay around long.

Mostly he is a big question mark because he has no head coaching track record to judge from.

jay santos · 03-28-2007, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever

Jim Boylen from Michigan State.

I'd prefer not to scroll through Cougarboard to do my own research project; I'd rather have the opinion of those on this site, thanks.

He appears to be a solid coach. But then I'm sure the top assistant at any of the top 20 programs or NBA teams all would have similar resumes. Few of them get head coaching offers from top programs (based on numbers alone). Boylen doesn't appear to have had a lot of interest in him from other teams in the past but I may be wrong.

Who are his assistants? From a BYU point of view, I don't mind Utah having a strong program if their recruiting focus is on out of state and non-LDS. He doesn't have any recruiting connections in the west.

My gut feeling is that he'll be moderately successful and when/if has a great year he'll move on to another program back east.

il Padrino Ute · 03-28-2007, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Detroitdad

His credentials are good and he should be a good x's and o's guy, though probably not to the level of Majerus. The real question will be if he can find a vein of recruits that can put the Utes in sustained prominence. I think it will be a tough job to succeed in a way that is even close to Fatty M. If he does I doubt that he will stay around long.

Mostly he is a big question mark because he has no head coaching track record to judge from.

I'm curious as to why you don't think he'd be around long if he's successful at Utah. Majerus was very successful and stayed for 15 years or so.

I'm not saying that Utah is a premiere job - I'm just curious as to why Cougar fans don't think a basketball coach will stay there after precedence shows that he will.

jay santos · 03-28-2007, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I'm curious as to why you don't think he'd be around long if he's successful at Utah. Majerus was very successful and stayed for 15 years or so.

I'm not saying that Utah is a premiere job - I'm just curious as to why Cougar fans don't think a basketball coach will stay there after precedence shows that he will.

Majerus is eccentric. Everything he does is unexplainable and opposite of the norm. He's just a different guy. Look at what every other coach in America does when he has success at a small school. If Broylen was from Utah or had stronger ties to the area, it would be a different thing.

il Padrino Ute · 03-28-2007, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Majerus is eccentric. Everything he does is unexplainable and opposite of the norm. He's just a different guy. Look at what every other coach in America does when he has success at a small school. If Broylen was from Utah or had stronger ties to the area, it would be a different thing.

I can agree with this, but is Utah really that small of a school when it comes to basketball?

Perhaps, but I'd like to believe that it's not so small a guy wouldn't want to stay.

Detroitdad · 03-28-2007, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I'm curious as to why you don't think he'd be around long if he's successful at Utah. Majerus was very successful and stayed for 15 years or so.

I'm not saying that Utah is a premiere job - I'm just curious as to why Cougar fans don't think a basketball coach will stay there after precedence shows that he will.

Looking at the larger trends in coaching, coaches that are succesful in lesser leagues usually go for a bigger job when they get the chance. There are literally dozens of examples of this. Majerus was the exception to that generalized rule and I think it was more related to him personally than to the institution.

By way of comparison, Lavell staying forever at the Lords University does not mean that Bronco will do the same if he is offered a different good job. I suspect that he might take the bigger job. Especially if the Cougars do not make a good faith effort to pay him.

MikeWaters · 03-28-2007, 02:54 AM

Utah is a small school. My metric is Boylen's payscale.

jay santos · 03-28-2007, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I can agree with this, but is Utah really that small of a school when it comes to basketball?

Perhaps, but I'd like to believe that it's not so small a guy wouldn't want to stay.

How many times were you on national TV last year?

How good of a job is the Utah job? I'm not talking smack now. Somewhere 30-40? Every year at least a few of those top 30-40 jobs come open and they pick from the next tier.

RockyBalboa · 03-28-2007, 03:29 AM

I will say that I was hoping they'd hire someone crappy like Donny Daniels or Tommy Connor, but I think Hill made a very shrewd hire in Boylen.

It's evident that guy has a great pedigree in spite of his lack of D-I Head Coaching experience.

He sounds just like what the Doctor ordered for the Yewts soft players...except Daniel Deane...he's a tough minded hombre.

I think Utah will be pretty good immediately.

Unfortunately.

03-28-2007, 01:55 AM	#1
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	So what does the enemy think of Utah's new coach? Jim Boylen from Michigan State. I'd prefer not to scroll through Cougarboard to do my own research project; I'd rather have the opinion of those on this site, thanks.

03-28-2007, 03:29 AM	#10
RockyBalboa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 7,297	I will say that I was hoping they'd hire someone crappy like Donny Daniels or Tommy Connor, but I think Hill made a very shrewd hire in Boylen. It's evident that guy has a great pedigree in spite of his lack of D-I Head Coaching experience. He sounds just like what the Doctor ordered for the Yewts soft players...except Daniel Deane...he's a tough minded hombre. I think Utah will be pretty good immediately. Unfortunately. __________________ Masquerading as Cougarguards very own genius dumbass since 05'.

03-28-2007, 02:30 AM	#2
Detroitdad Resident Jackass Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Roswell, New Mexico Posts: 1,846	His credentials are good and he should be a good x's and o's guy, though probably not to the level of Majerus. The real question will be if he can find a vein of recruits that can put the Utes in sustained prominence. I think it will be a tough job to succeed in a way that is even close to Fatty M. If he does I doubt that he will stay around long. Mostly he is a big question mark because he has no head coaching track record to judge from.

03-28-2007, 02:54 AM	#8
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Utah is a small school. My metric is Boylen's payscale.