BYU is 15 in the latest BCS poll........

[cougjunkie]

Pretty incredible that they still have a shot at a BCS game, slim shot but a shot nonetheless.

[TripletDaddy]

junkie, walk me through the MWC tie breaker rules. I am too lazy to look them up.

[Archaea]

Please, please, no BCS this year, it would make the Hawaii embarrassment look competitive.

Utah will take care of us in all likelihood.

But if Utah defeats TCU and BYU defeats Utah with no other losses for any school, who will be highest and who goes?

My uneducated guess would be that BYU having defeated a highly ranked team, or TCU would go, but TCU might fall below BYU if it loses to Utah, and Utah would likely fall below BYU.

Yet Boise still must lose and I don't see that as likely.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Please, please, no BCS this year, it would make the Hawaii embarrassment look competitive.

Utah will take care of us in all likelihood.

But if Utah defeats TCU and BYU defeats Utah with no other losses for any school, who will be highest and who goes?

My uneducated guess would be that BYU having defeated a highly ranked team, or TCU would go, but TCU might fall below BYU if it loses to Utah, and Utah would likely fall below BYU.

Yet Boise still must lose and I don't see that as likely.

The most likely scenario for BYU in the BCS (in fact, probably the only realistic scenario) would be for Utah to beat TCU, BYU to beat Utah, and BSU to lose to anyone (they have Nevada and FSU left).

Not terrible odds, but not nearly as good as a team who controls their own destiny, like Utah and TCU (BSU needs help, as Utah or TCU would get in ahead of them if either of those teams win out).

The MWC tiebreaker works as follows:

1. Compare head to head results (wouldn't work if Utah beats TCU, BYU beats Utah, and TCU beat BYU).

2. Compare records against other league teams, from top to bottom (wouldn't work- their only losses would be to each other).

3. Compare results against other tied teams (I think this is a MOV issue, but it isn't really clear)

4. Coin flip (which would be absolutely nuts- how would it even work with a 3 team scenario?).

BYU could get into the BCS as the 2nd non-BCS team this year too. The Big 10, Big 12 and SEC will all likely get 2 teams in each (that is the maximum a conference can have). Unless Oregon State wins out (in which case, they are the Pac 10 champ, but not eligible for a BCS game because they aren't in the top 16), USC will go, and will likely go anyways as an at large (so I think the best the Pac 10 can get is 1). The ACC may not have a qualifying team, same with the Big East. If that is the case, 2 non-BCS teams could get in.

This could turn into a crazy year for college football.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

The most likely scenario for BYU in the BCS (in fact, probably the only realistic scenario) would be for Utah to beat TCU, BYU to beat Utah, and BSU to lose to anyone (they have Nevada and FSU left).

Not terrible odds, but not nearly as good as a team who controls their own destiny, like Utah and TCU (BSU needs help, as Utah or TCU would get in ahead of them if either of those teams win out).

The MWC tiebreaker works as follows:

1. Compare head to head results (wouldn't work if Utah beats TCU, BYU beats Utah, and TCU beat BYU).

2. Compare records against other league teams, from top to bottom (wouldn't work- their only losses would be to each other).

3. Compare results against other tied teams (I think this is a MOV issue, but it isn't really clear)

4. Coin flip (which would be absolutely nuts- how would it even work with a 3 team scenario?).

BYU could get into the BCS as the 2nd non-BCS team this year too. The Big 10, Big 12 and SEC will all likely get 2 teams in each (that is the maximum a conference can have). Unless Oregon State wins out (in which case, they are the Pac 10 champ, but not eligible for a BCS game because they aren't in the top 16), USC will go, and will likely go anyways as an at large (so I think the best the Pac 10 can get is 1). The ACC may not have a qualifying team, same with the Big East. If that is the case, 2 non-BCS teams could get in.

This could turn into a crazy year for college football.

But against a good BCS team, our defense would look like a high school team. We'd have to pray for an SEC team with no offense.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

But against a good BCS team, our defense would look like a high school team. We'd have to pray for an SEC team with no offense.

I think BYU would match up very well against a Georgia, or even an Alabama (who I think is extraordinarily overrated and will get thumped by Florida in the SEC title game). The SEC is offense-lite this year. Their defenses are very good, and would limit BYU's points, but BYU would put up enough to be competitive.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

I think BYU would match up very well against a Georgia, or even an Alabama (who I think is extraordinarily overrated and will get thumped by Florida in the SEC title game). The SEC is offense-lite this year. Their defenses are very good, and would limit BYU's points, but BYU would put up enough to be competitive.

Georgia could dismantle us, and BYU would be hurt by Alabama imho.

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

BYU could get into the BCS as the 2nd non-BCS team this year too. The Big 10, Big 12 and SEC will all likely get 2 teams in each (that is the maximum a conference can have). Unless Oregon State wins out (in which case, they are the Pac 10 champ, but not eligible for a BCS game because they aren't in the top 16), USC will go, and will likely go anyways as an at large (so I think the best the Pac 10 can get is 1). The ACC may not have a qualifying team, same with the Big East. If that is the case, 2 non-BCS teams could get in.

This could turn into a crazy year for college football.

The ACC and Big East have automatic bids. Their Champs go to BCS games no matter what. Additionally, only one Non bcs team is guaranteed entrance into a bcs game. After the 6 autos take their place

The selection goes like this:
MNC take #1 and #2

Rose Bowl gets Big10 v Pac10 winner if one (or both of them) arent playing in the MNC
Fiesta gets Big 12 if not in the MNC
Sugar gets SEC if not in the MNC
Orange Gets ACC or BE if not in the MNC.

[Mormon Red Death]

Automatic Qualification

1. The top two teams in the final BCS Standings shall play in the National Championship Game.

2. The champions of the ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10, and Southeastern conferences will have automatic berths in one of the participating bowls after the 2006 and 2007 regular seasons.

3. The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:

A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,
B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

No more than one such team from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in any year. If two or more teams from those conferences satisfy the provisions for an automatic berth, then the team with the highest finish in the final BCS Standings will receive the automatic berth, and the remaining team or teams will be in the pool of teams eligible for selection by the bowls as at-large teams.

4. Notre Dame will have an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.

5. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 4, and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 3 in the final BCS Standings, that team will become an automatic qualifier, provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.

6. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 5, and if no team qualifies under paragraph No. 5 and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 4 in the final BCS Standings, that team will become an automatic qualifier provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.

At-Large Eligibility

If there are fewer than 10 automatic qualifiers, then the bowls will select at-large participants to fill the remaining berths. At at-large team is any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible and meets the following requirements:

A. Has won at least nine regular-season games, and
B. Is among the top 14 teams in the final BCS Standings.

No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections.

If fewer than 10 teams are eligible for selection, then the Bowls can select as an at-large team any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible, has won at least nine regular-season games and is among the top 18 teams in the final BCS Standings subject to the two-team limit noted above and also subject to the following: (1) if any conference has two or more teams in the top 14, then two of those teams must be selected and (2) from the teams ranked 15-18, a bowl can select only a team from a conference that has fewer than two teams in the top 14.

All teams ranked in the top 14, other than those from conferences which have already had two teams selected, must be included in the bowl selections.

If expansion of the pool to 18 teams does not result in 10 teams eligible for selection, then the pool shall be expanded by blocks of 4 teams until 10 eligible teams are available subject to the two-team limit noted above and also subject to the following: (1) if any conference has two or more teams in the top 14, then two of those teams must be selected and (2) from the teams ranked 15 or lower, a bowl can select only a team from a conference that has fewer than two teams in the top 14.

Note: in order to participate in a BCS Bowl game, a team (i) must be eligible for post-season play under the rules of the NCAA and, if it not an independent, under the rules of its conference and (ii) must not have imposed sanctions upon itself prohibiting participation in a post-season game for infractions of the rules of the NCAA or the rules of its conference.

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The bowls will select their participants from two pools: (1) automatic qualifiers, all of which must be selected, and, (2) at-large teams, if fewer than 10 teams qualify automatically. The following sequence will be used when establishing pairings:

1. The top two teams in the final BCS Standings will be placed in the National Championship Game ("NCG").

2. Unless they qualify to play in the NCG, the champions of selected conferences are contractually committed to host selected games:

Atlantic Coast Conference-Orange Bowl
Big Ten Conference-Rose Bowl
Big 12 Conference-Fiesta Bowl
Pac-10 Conference-Rose Bowl
Southeastern Conference-Sugar Bowl

3. If a bowl loses a host team to the NCG, then such bowl shall select a replacement team from among the automatic-qualifying teams and the at-large teams before any other selections are made. If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick. If the Rose Bowl loses both the Big Ten and Pac-10 champions to the NCG, it will receive two replacement picks.

A bowl choosing a replacement team may not select any of the following:

A. A team in the NCG;
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4. After steps No. 1, 2 and 3 have been completed, any bowl with an unfilled slot shall select a team from the automatic qualifiers and/or at-large teams in the following order:

A. The bowl played on the date nearest to the National Championship Game (for 2008, Orange Bowl) will pick first;
B. The bowl played on the date second-nearest to the National Championship Game (for 2008, Fiesta Bowl) will pick second;
C. The bowl hosting the game that is played in the time slot immediately after the Rose Bowl game (for 2008, Sugar Bowl) will pick third.

The rotation noted in paragraphs A, B and C is as follows:
January 2007 games: Sugar, Orange, Fiesta
January 2008 games: Orange, Fiesta, Sugar
January 2009 games: Fiesta, Sugar, Orange
January 2010 games: Orange, Fiesta, Sugar

All teams earning automatic berths must be selected.

5. After completion of the selection process as described in Paragraph Nos. 1-4, the conferences and Notre Dame may, but are not required to, adjust the pairings taking into consideration the following:

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Tie-Breaking Procedure

The following steps will be used to resolve any ties in the standings after the computation is carried out to full decimal points:

A bowl choosing a replacement team may not select any of the following:

1. Look to head-to-head result;
2. If the tie is not resolved by paragraph No. 1, then evaluate results against the highest-ranked common opponent in the BCS standings;
3. If the tie is not resolved by paragraph Nos. 1-2, then calculate tied teams' place in BCS Standings using all six computer providers (i.e., do not throw out the high and low computer rankings) and the Harris and Coaches polls;
4. If the tie is not resolved by paragraph Nos. 1-3, then draw.

Conference Automatic Qualification in Future

The conferences have developed mathematical standards of performance which be applied to determine the number of conferences whose champions will automatically qualify for a BCS game after the 2008 and 2009 regular seasons. The champions of no fewer than five conferences and no more than seven conferences will have annual automatic berths.

The standards will be based on results from the 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 regular seasons, using institutions that are members of the conferences during the 2007 season.

The data will include the following for each conference (1) the ranking of the highest-ranked team in the final BCS standings each year, (2) the final regular-season rankings of all conference teams in the computer rankings used by the BCS each year and (3) the number of teams in the top 25 of the final BCS standings each year.

The standards will not prohibit the champion of any conference that has contracted with a bowl from playing in one of the participating BCS bowls. For example, the Big Ten and Pac-10 champions will, by contract, play in the Rose Bowl every year unless one or both qualifies for the National Championship Game.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death

The ACC and Big East have automatic bids. Their Champs go to BCS games no matter what. Additionally, only one Non bcs team is guaranteed entrance into a bcs game. After the 6 autos take their place

The selection goes like this:
MNC take #1 and #2

Rose Bowl gets Big10 v Pac10 winner if one (or both of them) arent playing in the MNC
Fiesta gets Big 12 if not in the MNC
Sugar gets SEC if not in the MNC
Orange Gets ACC or BE if not in the MNC.

I don't believe that is correct. A team must be in the top 16 of the BCS standings to receive an automatic bid.

Edit: I didn't see your next post. I will try to go through that mess and see.