Now that the LDS Church has raised the

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Archaea

It either uses that language or language about predatory conduct.

I can see youth, well, if I have it for four weeks that's not extended but eight weeks is.

Should bishops distribute charts?

Can you have sex just six times over four weeks? Does it count as one episode no matter how many times the couple orgasm? All sorts of wonderful analysis is possible.

The more important part of the guidelines is whether or not the person has exhibited a broken heart and a contrite spirit, sought repentence and received forgiveness.

If your hypothetical youth are asking these kinds of questions, I think the hypothetical bishop/SP can make a pretty safe assumption they aren't that repentant.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Tex

The more important part of the guidelines is whether or not the person has exhibited a broken heart and a contrite spirit, sought repentence and received forgiveness.

If your hypothetical youth are asking these kinds of questions, I think the hypothetical bishop/SP can make a pretty safe assumption they aren't that repentant.

No, that's not the important part of the guideline. The guideline is very specific. It forces a bishop to deny a prospective missionary no matter how deep the broken heart and contrite spirit is. I don't have a copy of the handbook but when I read it before I recall it being "multiple" partners or "multiple" incidents with same partner. I could be wrong on the latter, but I know that's how my bishop interpreted it.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Most persons, outside of some discreet religious sects, do not.

Why I do is that I do believe you can be a great leader and have ascribed to the religious right view on sex in your youth. However, they are the minority.

Most leaders are not people who practiced the religious right view on sex in their youth. Even a less number of leaders practiced strict adherence to honor code standards and had the academic credentials to get into BYU.

I think Mitt Romney is a leader and I believe he could have gotten into BYU under the current restrictions. I think he is the exception.

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Archaea

It either uses that language or language about predatory conduct.

I can see youth, well, if I have it for four weeks that's not extended but eight weeks is.

Should bishops distribute charts?

Can you have sex just six times over four weeks? Does it count as one episode no matter how many times the couple orgasm? All sorts of wonderful analysis is possible.

This is why I would never bring up indiscretions to the bishop or SP if I wanted to go on a mission. The wording in the handbood is too ambiguous and I'd be afraid they would misinterpret it. The best approach is to simply confess the sin to God, and then if God deems you not worthy, He can reveal it to the bishop and SP. Luckily, our leaders receive revelation and are able to make inspired decisions.

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

This is why I would never bring up indiscretions to the bishop or SP if I wanted to go on a mission. The wording in the handbood is too ambiguous and I'd be afraid they would misinterpret it. The best approach is to simply confess the sin to God, and then if God deems you not worthy, He can reveal it to the bishop and SP. Luckily, our leaders receive revelation and are able to make inspired decisions.

God told my bishop that I masturbated.

Bishop: Do you masturbate?

SoonerCoug: No

Bishop: Are you sure?

SoonerCoug: I'm positive.

Bishop: Because I have the spirit of discernment, and I think you masturbate.

SoonerCoug: I don't. Really.

Bishop: Do you dry hump?

SoonerCoug: No

Bishop: Do you know what dry humping is?? Simulated sex?

SoonerCoug: Bishop, I've never even kissed a girl.

Bishop: Well, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt just this one time.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

The single biggest contributing factor in the decrease in the number of missionaries in the field (by a large margin) is due to demographics: the decline in the average number of kids in LDS homes has started to kick in.

What??? And it just happened to correlate with the "raising the bar" issue?

Come on, Indy.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

This is why I would never bring up indiscretions to the bishop or SP if I wanted to go on a mission. The wording in the handbood is too ambiguous and I'd be afraid they would misinterpret it. The best approach is to simply confess the sin to God, and then if God deems you not worthy, He can reveal it to the bishop and SP. Luckily, our leaders receive revelation and are able to make inspired decisions.

Hilarious. Yes, irreverent, synical, and having some knowledge of the source, a swipe at LDS. Yet still, very funny.

NS, you're on a roll this week.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

This is why I would never bring up indiscretions to the bishop or SP if I wanted to go on a mission. The wording in the handbood is too ambiguous and I'd be afraid they would misinterpret it. The best approach is to simply confess the sin to God, and then if God deems you not worthy, He can reveal it to the bishop and SP. Luckily, our leaders receive revelation and are able to make inspired decisions.

The concept that somebody is contrite enough to confess the sin to another individual escapes you.

I believe confession is psychologically beneficial, but that the penalties assessed need to be more reasonable for common human failings.

It's the attitude of some, not all, leaders regarding sinners that concerns me.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

This is why I would never bring up indiscretions to the bishop or SP if I wanted to go on a mission. The wording in the handbood is too ambiguous and I'd be afraid they would misinterpret it. The best approach is to simply confess the sin to God, and then if God deems you not worthy, He can reveal it to the bishop and SP. Luckily, our leaders receive revelation and are able to make inspired decisions.

One of your funniest posts in a while. Nicely done.

[scottie]

I've never believed the death penalty deters anyone from committing murder; it's human nature to not kill someone. I've also never believed the Mormon "death penalty" of not being allowed to serve a mission deters a teenager from making sexual mistakes; sex drive is human nature. Kids, specifically teenagers in this case, are going to make mistakes no matter the consequence, and the ONLY thing that matters (or should matter anyway) is if the kid has tried to repent. How is the Atonement somehow not applicable when a kid wants to give up two years for the Lord's work?

On a related note, who cares if a kid has had multiple sex partners if he's repented? The Atonement applies to him/her just as much as the next person.