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creekster · 07-27-2006, 02:36 PM

B sample is yet to be confirmed.

I am cynical, but he supposedly tested positive for testosterone, which would be so incredibly stupid on his part that it is hard to believe. Time will tell.

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10591.0.html

livecoug · 07-27-2006, 03:19 PM

honestly, I am willing to bet that 90% of tour de francers are doping.. we know that the best cyclists are, so everyone else pretty much HAS to to keep up...

no surprise here. How did Lance escape getting caught?

Archaea · 07-27-2006, 03:50 PM

I don't think Lance doped.

Lance was better than everybody in almost in any sport he chose.

As a kid, he was a swimmer.

Then he went to triathloning, beating nationally ranked pros as a junior. He started winning single day races early and recovered from cancer.

If he doped, it would have been during the initial return year, but after that, he's either got extremely sophisticated medical technology, or he didn't dope.

I choose to go with the latter until proven otherwise.

creekster · 07-27-2006, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea

I don't think Lance doped.

Lance was better than everybody in almost in any sport he chose.

As a kid, he was a swimmer.

Then he went to triathloning, beating nationally ranked pros as a junior. He started winning single day races early and recovered from cancer.

If he doped, it would have been during the initial return year, but after that, he's either got extremely sophisticated medical technology, or he didn't dope.

I choose to go with the latter until proven otherwise.

This is where I come down also, although I am preapred to be dispapointed.

Landis' test just makes no snese to me. I iwill wait and see just what turns up.

Archaea · 07-27-2006, 03:55 PM

I'm not naive, but am holding out that not everybody is a liar and a cheat. Perhaps I err; the law sure shows me many people cheat and lie and many of them are respectable persons.

I'm holding out hope there is a reasonable explanation for Landis, as steroids don't make sense for a cyclist. I wonder if it's related to the cortisone shots he gets for his hips.

creekster · 07-27-2006, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea

I'm holding out hope there is a reasonable explanation for Landis, as steroids don't make sense for a cyclist. I wonder if it's related to the cortisone shots he gets for his hips.

It could be. The timing is so bad (test after stage 17), however, that even if there is a plausible explanation, everyone will think he cheated. Of all the things that he might have taken or risked taking on that day, testosterone seems like it would be way down the list, bioth becasue it is likely to be of little value and becasue it is so easy to test for.

Any of you doctors out there know if testosterone is a metabolic product of any other substance? IOW, is it a marker for use of somethign else? I am not aware that it is, but I have limited knowledge here.

Archaea · 07-27-2006, 04:06 PM

Some steroids are catabolic, and some are not (I forget the other term).

Do not forget, false positives do occur. We really should wait for the results of the B test. Because steroids make no sense.

I wish Mike and Zulu would weigh in.

DirtyHippieUTE · 07-27-2006, 04:08 PM

Floyd probably just blew the testers away by having any testosterone in his system at all. After Lance "uniball" Armstrong and all of the cheese eatin' surrender monkeys they're used to in France, a measurement of the testosterone output from the size of balls it took to pull off that stage 17 win must have blown their minds.

Seriously...

I so hope it is nothing more than a mistake. This would suck in such a huge way.

bluegoose · 07-27-2006, 04:36 PM

My feeling, there is such a small possibility of a false positive in this case that you can pretty well take this one to the Rabobank (Bah Da Boom).

What are the possible outcomes here? Will he be stripped of the Tour title for sure if Sample B comes back positive? Can you imagine how he must have felt when they came around with the pee cup afterward? Reminds me of that recent "Office" episode when they were drug testing everyone in the office when Dwight found a joint in the parking lot. Boss (I can't remember Steve Carrel's character name right now) smoked a joint the previous weekend at an Alicia Keys concert and says " I won't be tested. I didn't have to go to the bathroom at this time and who's to say that anything will come out anyway." Funny stuff.

Archaea · 07-27-2006, 04:42 PM

Why would a cyclist use steroids?

07-27-2006, 02:36 PM	#1
creekster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the far corner of my mind Posts: 8,711	Landis is the positive test B sample is yet to be confirmed. I am cynical, but he supposedly tested positive for testosterone, which would be so incredibly stupid on his part that it is hard to believe. Time will tell. http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10591.0.html __________________ Sorry for th e tpyos.

07-27-2006, 03:50 PM	#3
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	I don't think Lance doped. Lance was better than everybody in almost in any sport he chose. As a kid, he was a swimmer. Then he went to triathloning, beating nationally ranked pros as a junior. He started winning single day races early and recovered from cancer. If he doped, it would have been during the initial return year, but after that, he's either got extremely sophisticated medical technology, or he didn't dope. I choose to go with the latter until proven otherwise. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

07-27-2006, 03:55 PM	#5
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	I'm not naive, but am holding out that not everybody is a liar and a cheat. Perhaps I err; the law sure shows me many people cheat and lie and many of them are respectable persons. I'm holding out hope there is a reasonable explanation for Landis, as steroids don't make sense for a cyclist. I wonder if it's related to the cortisone shots he gets for his hips. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

07-27-2006, 04:06 PM	#7
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	Some steroids are catabolic, and some are not (I forget the other term). Do not forget, false positives do occur. We really should wait for the results of the B test. Because steroids make no sense. I wish Mike and Zulu would weigh in. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

07-27-2006, 04:08 PM	#8
DirtyHippieUTE Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,151	Floyd probably just blew the testers away by having any testosterone in his system at all. After Lance "uniball" Armstrong and all of the cheese eatin' surrender monkeys they're used to in France, a measurement of the testosterone output from the size of balls it took to pull off that stage 17 win must have blown their minds. Seriously... I so hope it is nothing more than a mistake. This would suck in such a huge way. __________________ I reject your reality and substitute my own...

07-27-2006, 03:19 PM	#2
livecoug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,176	honestly, I am willing to bet that 90% of tour de francers are doping.. we know that the best cyclists are, so everyone else pretty much HAS to to keep up... no surprise here. How did Lance escape getting caught?

07-27-2006, 04:36 PM	#9
bluegoose Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,919	My feeling, there is such a small possibility of a false positive in this case that you can pretty well take this one to the Rabobank (Bah Da Boom). What are the possible outcomes here? Will he be stripped of the Tour title for sure if Sample B comes back positive? Can you imagine how he must have felt when they came around with the pee cup afterward? Reminds me of that recent "Office" episode when they were drug testing everyone in the office when Dwight found a joint in the parking lot. Boss (I can't remember Steve Carrel's character name right now) smoked a joint the previous weekend at an Alicia Keys concert and says " I won't be tested. I didn't have to go to the bathroom at this time and who's to say that anything will come out anyway." Funny stuff.

07-27-2006, 04:42 PM	#10
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	Why would a cyclist use steroids? __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα