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On the other hand, a candidate's minister of 20 years, the man that married the candidate and baptized the candidate's children, and then held a private prayer meeting with the candidate on the morning that the candidate announced; when that minister shreaks "God Damn America" and all manor of anti-american crap and then acts like a kook on national TV, that's news and goes to the judgement of the candidate. Obama was either an opportunist or a fool; or perhaps a combination of the two. Or maybe he's just giving us politician speak like Wright has suggested.
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Why did Obama maintain such a close spiritual relationship with a guy that has such antipathy for the U.S.? So much so that he uses such damning rhetoric and pushes outright lies. Did he feel energized by it all? Did it speak to him? If not, then why persist in this relationship? Now that Wright is throwing Obama under the bus, why such a tepid response? Given Wright's kookiness (black and white brains are different?!?!?), why not strongly dissassociate himself with Wright? Could the answer be political expediency? Sometimes our decisions come back to haunt us.
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And, by the way, the fact that few people talk about this doesn't somehow mean it isn't right. |
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I have no doubt that if the press thought they could make hay of Hagee, they would. They are only McCain's friends when it comes to other Republicans.
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When did Obama disavow Wright's political support?
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04-29-2008, 04:32 PM | #46 | |
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Need I point out that you are making two different arguments here? On the one hand, you question Obama's judgement for involvement with Wright. On the other hand, you inform me that people don't care about Hagee, therefore it isn't an issue. You are arguing an absolute in the first instance with Obama- that he has poor judgement because of his involvement with Wright. You are arguing about political impact in the second instance with McCain, not even addressing your judgement issue. If you were going to be consistent, and I don't expect you will be, you would be concerned about the judgement of both or of neither, and would separately argue for about the relative political impact each case could have on the respective candidates (which could differ). |
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I see no absolutes. I'll allow McCain his little daliance with Hagee. Politics allows for strange bedfellows working together for a common end. McCain's involvement with Hagee pales in comparison to Obama's with Wright. Hagee's statements pale in comparison to Wright's blatherings. I question Obama's invlovement with Wright over a 20 year period of time. I question Obama taking his kids to a church that spews forth such hate. I question Obama bringing Wright into his campaign. What are your thoughts on Obama and Wright?
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And I'm sure there's a lot of things you and I can learn from the teachings of our "spiritual adviser" Brigham Young in spite of the racially-charged things he said. First of all, his church is a pre-dominantly white organization. Only Obama's congregation is majority black. And the mother organization has fully endorsed Wright's ministry.
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As for Hagee's comments, I find them far more offensive than Wright's. I assume when you say they "pale in comparison," that means you don't actually know what Hagee has said. Should I post a list of his greatest hits? You are now back to saying it is purely a judgement issue with Obama. I am having a hard time keeping up with your evolving arguments. Does McCain suffer from a lapse in judgement with Hagee/Falwell? If not, why? What is the difference? You want to make it out to be an issue of length of time, but that would seem to only indicate that Obama's judgement was poor for a long time (and now corrected) and that McCain's is poor for a short time (including now). Not sure that advances your case. |
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