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YOhio · 07-31-2007, 08:21 PM

Another great quote...

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If you will take the counsel of one who loves science and reveres
religion, permit me to admonish you: Never close your mind or your heart;
ever keep them open to the reception of both knowledge and spiritual
impressions. Both true science and true religion are the exponents of
truth. Their fields are different, their provinces are distinct, but their
purposes are identical--to enlighten man, to give him power, to make him
good and bring him joy. Never abandon a time-tested thing of worth until
you are very, very sure that the new is better. Be not ashamed of faith in God. It has been the incentive for the noblest things of life.

Archaea · 07-31-2007, 08:22 PM

That's it. I had forgotten its subject matter.

Archaea · 07-31-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

He was a lot more enlightened than many LDS leaders who followed him decades later.

Our modern leaders appear to be chosen because they are great administrators, not great theologians, thinkers, philosophers or scientists. Our bureaucracy is large and perhaps that is the sort of leader which we need today, but if you look at the debates within the Church at the turn of the century and its participants, much of what we rely upon today was artuiculated then, and the modern leaders do more administration than philosophizing.

MikeWaters · 07-31-2007, 08:30 PM

the leaders of the church are most worried about the least among us.

Philosophy is the last thing in our minds.

Decreases in percentange of YM going on missions--defcon 5.

Tex · 07-31-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

Our modern leaders appear to be chosen because they are great administrators, not great theologians, thinkers, philosophers or scientists. Our bureaucracy is large and perhaps that is the sort of leader which we need today, but if you look at the debates within the Church at the turn of the century and its participants, much of what we rely upon today was artuiculated then, and the modern leaders do more administration than philosophizing.

News to Neal Maxwell, I'm sure.

BlueK · 07-31-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

News to Neal Maxwell, I'm sure.

what did he say in the last general conference? ;-)

ChinoCoug · 07-31-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

News to Neal Maxwell, I'm sure.

1/12

MikeWaters · 07-31-2007, 08:40 PM

we don't need theologians in the church. we don't need philosophers.

we need revelators.

It's interesting that we view the apostasy as something being present, then very quickly falling from the church. The argument could be applied to the modern church: burst of revelation until Joseph Smith's death, and then very little since then.

I'm not saying that modern apostles aren't revelators. I'm saying the nature and quanity of revelations has appeared to change.

Tex · 07-31-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

1/12

It's one larger than Arch gave credit for there being, and I'm sure I could come up with others but I'm tired of fighting this particular fight. Just a little while ago the Disaffecteds were complaining about how our GAs were not poor enough.

It really bites that God can't figure out how to call the correct men to lead his church.

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Originally Posted by Mike Waters

we don't need theologians in the church. we don't need philosophers.

we need revelators.

Wow, Mike, that is pretty insightful. I'm being serious, thanks for that comment.

Indy Coug · 07-31-2007, 08:43 PM

The age of innovation and revelation is past.

We have no philosophizers.

We have leaders that inevitably produce nothing but the mindless, simpleton byproduct of groupthink because they are all from the same racial, demographic and geographic substrata.

We have leaders that are more interested in money than saving the lives of homeless men.

Our leaders stress that money is so important that however you acquire it is OK as long as you don't get caught.

It's amazing we haven't imploded into the 21st century version of the Strang-ites.

07-31-2007, 08:22 PM	#12
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	That's it. I had forgotten its subject matter. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

07-31-2007, 08:30 PM	#14
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	the leaders of the church are most worried about the least among us. Philosophy is the last thing in our minds. Decreases in percentange of YM going on missions--defcon 5.

07-31-2007, 08:40 PM	#18
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	we don't need theologians in the church. we don't need philosophers. we need revelators. It's interesting that we view the apostasy as something being present, then very quickly falling from the church. The argument could be applied to the modern church: burst of revelation until Joseph Smith's death, and then very little since then. I'm not saying that modern apostles aren't revelators. I'm saying the nature and quanity of revelations has appeared to change.

07-31-2007, 08:43 PM	#20
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	The age of innovation and revelation is past. We have no philosophizers. We have leaders that inevitably produce nothing but the mindless, simpleton byproduct of groupthink because they are all from the same racial, demographic and geographic substrata. We have leaders that are more interested in money than saving the lives of homeless men. Our leaders stress that money is so important that however you acquire it is OK as long as you don't get caught. It's amazing we haven't imploded into the 21st century version of the Strang-ites.