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Rove is an absolute genius. No question about it.
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"America's soldiers are committed to the war. But they're not going to lie about its progress." by Owen West, a trader at Goldman Sachs and a director of the Marine Corps Scholarship Foundation, who served two tours in Iraq with the Marines. Quote:
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Do you walk around assuming everyone you meet is a liar? Don't change the subject. I totally reject such a stupid premise, but even if I did accept it, it doesn't excuse what the Dems are doing now. |
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Good one and fair enough.
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Of course I do. I assume everyone wretched until they give reason to think otherwise.
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Westmoreland wasn't lying to cover for a Commander in Chief. He was deluded by his ability to wage a guerilla war in Southeast Asia. It's not an appropriate comparison.
My problem is that you've made an a priori assumption that everything General Petraus will say is an untruth because he has an ulterior motive to protect President Bush. I dispute this assumption for several reasons. First, his military career, experience and title are worthy of recognition. He has forgotten more about military strategy than a civilian will ever know. When a four-star general speaks on the success of a war strategy, we should listen closely. Second, he has no motive to protect President Bush. He was not an original architect of the Iraq war, but he was sent four years after the fact to try and clean it up. He must realize the enormous likelihood that a Democrat will be the next president, so he has nothing to gain from endearing himself to this administration or the Republican party. Third, his future career and legacy depends on the success of this military campaign. If failure is eminent, a man of his experience would realize that he must change strategy. He would have overwhelming political support if he made that decision. There is no reason why he would stake his great reputation on a failed strategy. While you may not like Petraus, President Bush or the Iraq War, the only intellectually honest way of evaluating his congressional testimony would be to give it a fair reading. You, and many others, have failed to do so. Last edited by YOhio; 09-13-2007 at 03:37 AM. |
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It doesn't matter why he lied. He lied. My point is that just because you're a general, doesn't mean you're immune from political obfuscation.
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