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Cali Coug · 04-21-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

That's a pretty premature conclusion.

What I think is truly awful is how Obama continues to prostrate himself before dictators and oppressive nations. Never underestimate a liberal's desire to surrender America's moral greatness to any two-bit country that asks for it.

Wow- now there was a dramatic misdirection!

What makes it premature?

What we know:

KSM waterboarded 183 times in 30 days
Bush admin said KSM broke in 2 minutes of waterboarding

So did KSM break in 2 minutes, only to be waterboarded 182 subsequent times (for what?), or did he break 2 minutes into the 183rd waterboard (which is a gross distortion of what was originally communicated re 2 minutes)?

The statement about breaking after 2 minutes and the fact that he was waterboarded 183 times are not compatible.

Tex · 04-21-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

What makes it premature?

This:

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

So did KSM break in 2 minutes, only to be waterboarded 182 subsequent times (for what?), or did he break 2 minutes into the 183rd waterboard (which is a gross distortion of what was originally communicated re 2 minutes)?

Cali Coug · 04-21-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

This:

Ah- so in other words, you really want to hang onto the possibility that KSM actually did break within 2 minutes, but then was just waterboarded for amusement's sake 182 more times?

You are one sick individual when that outcome is preferential to believing that Bush lied to you.

Tex · 04-21-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Ah- so in other words, you really want to hang onto the possibility that KSM actually did break within 2 minutes, but then was just waterboarded for amusement's sake 182 more times?

You are one sick individual when that outcome is preferential to believing that Bush lied to you.

I prefer to wait until I have answers to important questions before making serious accusations. The preference over the last several years to call anyone a liar willy-nilly has contributed to a worse political culture, not better.

Tex · 04-30-2009, 01:00 AM

And the truth starts to come out. KSM was not waterboarded 183 times.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...boarded-times/

Cali Coug · 04-30-2009, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tex

And the truth starts to come out. KSM was not waterboarded 183 times.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...boarded-times/

Really? This is where Faux News is going to take this? That 183 pours is not waterboarding 183 times, but rather just part of the same "session?" Really? Even though, as you can still watch with Christopher Hitchens during his waterboarding video, most people only last a few seconds from one pour before passing out? But no! 183 pours (read 183 times a suspect was required to inhale water) isn't bad at all! It was really just a few times he was waterboarded (as if that logically makes it ok anyways), it is just that in those few times, we REALLY waterboarded him.

Brother. How do you sleep at night?

Tex · 04-30-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Really? This is where Faux News is going to take this? That 183 pours is not waterboarding 183 times, but rather just part of the same "session?" Really? Even though, as you can still watch with Christopher Hitchens during his waterboarding video, most people only last a few seconds from one pour before passing out? But no! 183 pours (read 183 times a suspect was required to inhale water) isn't bad at all! It was really just a few times he was waterboarded (as if that logically makes it ok anyways), it is just that in those few times, we REALLY waterboarded him.

Brother. How do you sleep at night?

Heh. This, from the guy who will argue until the next century about the definition of the word "socialism."

il Padrino Ute · 04-30-2009, 04:24 AM

This coming from someone who posts links to the dailykos.

Cali Coug · 04-30-2009, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

This coming from someone who posts links to the dailykos.

Are you reading my posts? Cause that would mean I am off ignore! I knew you couldn't stay away.

Cali Coug · 04-30-2009, 04:34 AM

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Heh. This, from the guy who will argue until the next century about the definition of the word "socialism."

You mean I consistently argue for the correct usage of words ("waterboarding" AND "socialism")? The horrors!

According to Tex, Hitchens wasn't ever waterboarded. He only had one pour. It takes at least 6 pours repeated a dozen times in one session to constitute "waterboarding." Good thing we have Tex here to tell us that the actual definition of the word isn't what the word actually means.

You and Webster wouldn't be friends.

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