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All-American · 06-18-2007, 04:17 PM

Mike's original point was to dispute those who said that waterboarding was not a form of torture. Is there anybody left who will still argue that?

Whether torture at all is appropriate or not under any circumstances is a different question, which seems to be the one under the microscope now.

BYU71 · 06-18-2007, 04:17 PM

put to death and see how you like it.

It is nice to know it isn't the torture you mind, it is the arbitrary means by which it is used. Perhaps you would like someone like Michael Moore to be the judge of who deserves it and who doesn't.

Tex · 06-18-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

put to death and see how you like it.

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If Mike agrees to this proposal, I will publicly agree to be waterboarded.

Archaea · 06-18-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by All-American

Mike's original point was to dispute those who said that waterboarding was not a form of torture. Is there anybody left who will still argue that?

Whether torture at all is appropriate or not under any circumstances is a different question, which seems to be the one under the microscope now.

It appears to be a very unpleasant tactic that should not be used from what I can tell based on his histrionic presentation.

However, it does introduce a question for those sensitive to extraordinary interrogation techniques as to what forms of psychological pressures are appropriate.

I suspect somebody with a full belly, who has never experienced close death to due violence of another, can sit sipping Cafe lattes and come to a different conclusion than a forty year CIA veteran.

BYU71 · 06-18-2007, 04:21 PM

I vote that reading some of Mike's posts should be described as torture.

MikeWaters · 06-18-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

I vote that reading some of Mike's posts should be described as torture.

you are about the 5th person today to say that. so you definitely lose points here on orginality.

do you wish me to counter with a "you are old as" joke?

Archaea · 06-18-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

If Mike agrees to this proposal, I will publicly agree to be waterboarded.

I actually wonder how long I could withstand it. Drowning is not a pleasant occurrence.

I doubt I'd last only fourteen seconds, but the two minute mark sounds impressive.

Tex · 06-18-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

you are about the 5th person today to say that. so you definitely lose points here on orginality.

do you wish me to counter with a "you are old as" joke?

You're accusing someone else of losing points for originality? LOL. Cross-reference the 2nd post in this thread.

BYU71 · 06-18-2007, 04:23 PM

Yea, hit me back with the "old" thing. It really hurts.

MikeWaters · 06-18-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

I actually wonder how long I could withstand it. Drowning is not a pleasant occurrence.

I doubt I'd last only fourteen seconds, but the two minute mark sounds impressive.

We could still do this with you, get some media. And then we could get your take on it. And you could be "undecided" and presumably after your experience you could say "yeah, that is torture" or "no, a little unpleasant, but not torture."

06-18-2007, 04:17 PM	#61
All-American Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,420	Mike's original point was to dispute those who said that waterboarding was not a form of torture. Is there anybody left who will still argue that? Whether torture at all is appropriate or not under any circumstances is a different question, which seems to be the one under the microscope now. __________________ εν αρχη ην ο λογος

06-18-2007, 04:17 PM	#62
BYU71 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,084	Well, I challenge you to be put to death and see how you like it. It is nice to know it isn't the torture you mind, it is the arbitrary means by which it is used. Perhaps you would like someone like Michael Moore to be the judge of who deserves it and who doesn't.

06-18-2007, 04:21 PM	#65
BYU71 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,084	We are trying to define torture I vote that reading some of Mike's posts should be described as torture.

06-18-2007, 04:23 PM	#69
BYU71 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,084	Sorry, where was that used, on this board Yea, hit me back with the "old" thing. It really hurts.