07-02-2008, 02:28 PM | #1 |
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You could see this coming from about a mile off
http://www.contracostatimes.com/bayandstate/ci_9756284
I like that Shipps, unlike way too many Mormons, knows our history. She's absolutely correct that in 1932 President Grant tried to coerce the Church to vote against Roosevelt and the effort backfired in a major way (and the moral issue of the day was prohibition). I don't see quite the same indignance over this California thing, but for me the interesting issue will be a difference between the 1932 Church and the 2008 Church. There was little to no fallout for those who disparaged the Church's intrusion into politics in 1932, but with today's mullah mentality and a pervasive lack of historical perspective, in the present situation there could be plenty of fallout. The short of this is that this could get ugly. Very ugly.
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07-02-2008, 02:33 PM | #2 |
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I venture to say that a lot of Mormons don't like the dictum, but they are not speaking to the papers.
I honestly don't think the church has any moral gravitas, and therefore it is hard to take the church seriously. Look at all the issues the church has not commented on or supported. |
07-02-2008, 02:41 PM | #3 |
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I predict nothing happens at all.
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07-02-2008, 02:45 PM | #4 |
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07-02-2008, 02:51 PM | #5 |
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Everyone knows I am a proponent of the "there is a difference between counsel and commandment."
That being said, I sustain the brethern as the spokesman for the church, maybe not for me in every instance, but certainly for the church. I personally believe a line is drawn between speaking amongst ourselves about a disagreement and going public with the disagreement. Personally, before proclaiming to be an active Latter Day Saint and then publicly repudiating something the church has taken a strong stand on, I would renounce my membership. |
07-02-2008, 02:53 PM | #6 |
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Well, at least Nielsen has achieved in print what he never did in real life.
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07-02-2008, 03:05 PM | #7 |
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When the church came out supporting the constitutional amendment, my stake president was very clear, and emphasized, that we were not being asked to vote for the amendment.
I like my stake president. If he excommunicated me, I think I would respect that excommunication. |
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07-02-2008, 06:56 PM | #9 | |
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And despite my misgivings about the current issue, let me bear testimony that my feelings about the Church come closer to, and are perhaps even more devoted than, those of my nephew Matt, than to those of my cousin, Sandra Tanner and her late husband. |
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07-02-2008, 06:58 PM | #10 |
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That's cool for Matt. Hard to be the black sheep of the family with Sandra there.
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