Interesting comments on Ramnation

[BYU71]

about hiring Crowton.

While BYU was embarassed about the scandals and many say Crowton lost his job over the scandals, I find it interesting that for a lot of people the respect we think we get for having the honor code is seen through blue glasses.

One of the comments from a Ram poster was essentially, Crowton got railroaded. Ran out of town because kids screwed up. I don't think that shows an outsider really respects BYU's honor code.

[DapperDan]

I wasn't aware that any outsiders respected the honor code. I'm not really sure why they should either.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by BYU71

about hiring Crowton.

While BYU was embarassed about the scandals and many say Crowton lost his job over the scandals, I find it interesting that for a lot of people the respect we think we get for having the honor code is seen through blue glasses.

One of the comments from a Ram poster was essentially, Crowton got railroaded. Ran out of town because kids screwed up. I don't think that shows an outsider really respects BYU's honor code.

I think you will probably lose this battle. Sorry 71. There are actually plenty of mullah types outside of BYU that support what BYU does and are against the "thugs" at Floridat St and Miami.

Crowton got fired for three straight losing seasons. I will defend that position to my death.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I think you will probably lose this battle. Sorry 71. There are actually plenty of mullah types outside of BYU that support what BYU does and are against the "thugs" at Floridat St and Miami.

Crowton got fired for three straight losing seasons. I will defend that position to my death.

I am tired of defending postions concerning Gary Crowton. I spent most of his tenure feeling like I was in the doggy style position. Men are not designed to be catchers.

Thank whatever the gods may be for no more BOHICA!

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by DapperDan

I wasn't aware that any outsiders respected the honor code. I'm not really sure why they should either.

I would think Muslims and the Ammish would or at least should have an amount of respect for the honor code.

Those who look through blue glasses think anyone who has any values sees the world as they do. Therefor if BYU has some kids who get caught doing something wrong, it is a total embarassment and tragedy.

The only ones who really care are those who want to mock BYU for portraying the "we are better than you" image and then falling on their noses.

I think it is only human nature. Any time I see one of these religious right evangelicals, who claim I am not Chrisitian, get caught in a sexual sin or homosexual situation, I smile with glee. Bad me.

[DapperDan]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I think you will probably lose this battle. Sorry 71. There are actually plenty of mullah types outside of BYU that support what BYU does and are against the "thugs" at Floridat St and Miami.

Crowton got fired for three straight losing seasons. I will defend that position to my death.

There are lots of teams that have quality people playing for them that do not have the Honor Code or the "thugs" of Florida. I wonder how many quality individuals the Honor Code has driven away.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by DapperDan

There are lots of teams that have quality people playing for them that do not have the Honor Code or the "thugs" of Florida. I wonder how many quality individuals the Honor Code has driven away.

I'm on your side. I'm not an HC mullah.

But 71's barking up the wrong tree on this one.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I think you will probably lose this battle. Sorry 71. There are actually plenty of mullah types outside of BYU that support what BYU does and are against the "thugs" at Floridat St and Miami.

Crowton got fired for three straight losing seasons. I will defend that position to my death.

Who is for thugs. Who in the MWC runs a thug program? I have heard of schools suspending players for doing things like drunk driving and for attacking women.

The difference is I don't see their fans going on and on about how great they are and what wonderful people they are for doing so.

I don't think Urban M would have let players get away with the undisciplined way Crowton ran things. Crowton did not run a tight ship and it had to do with a lot more than the honor code. He would have blown up at Utah.

[DapperDan]

Originally Posted by BYU71

I would think Muslims and the Ammish would or at least should have an amount of respect for the honor code.

Those who look through blue glasses think anyone who has any values sees the world as they do. Therefor if BYU has some kids who get caught doing something wrong, it is a total embarassment and tragedy.

I can agree that they probably would. Someday the Ammish may even learn of BYU football.

The second point is why I wonder if anyone should care. We suspend people for things that would never even be considered a problem at other universities.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I'm on your side. I'm not an HC mullah.

But 71's barking up the wrong tree on this one.

What tree am I barking up. I am just speaking from experience. I had far more non-members tell me BYU overreacted to their situation over the scandal than I did tell me they respected what we did.

Rightly or wrongly, I had a couple say to me, that is how you get rid of blacks down there isn't it. Don't tell me the perception doesn't exist about Utah. Why do you think NBA players arent' gung ho about coming to Utah.
We are thought of as racists far more than I had even imagined.