BYU finishes 14 in both the AP and the coaches poll

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

You are an idiot. I posted that I would be curious what an oddsmaker poll would show after the bowls.

BYU was a 6 point favorite against UCLA. A 6 point favorite is a fairly significant favorite. This tells me that the oddsmakers had badly misjudged the game.

I'm sure BYU would have dropped to lower than 10 in a final poll.

1 point instead of 6 points is not "badly misjudged". Give me a break.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

1 point instead of 6 points is not "badly misjudged". Give me a break.

You want to see "badly misjudged"?

Look at this list.

http://www.cougarguard.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15509

Whose predicted MOV was closest to the actual margin? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't Goatnapper, Lebowski, or BYU71. Oh yeah, it was me.

[Indy Coug]

Congratulations. You can dispose of that rubber glove now.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

BYU was manhandled, and would have lost by 3 touchdowns with an average QB.

Even Indy acknowledges this.

Then Indy on this issue is as big an idiot as you are. I use the term idiot in an endearing way.

People who come up with their if's and then act like they can project what happens when they use the term if are performing menatal masturbation.

You don't know what would have happened if Ben had been healthy. The spread was 6pts when the oddsmakers thought Ben was the starter, it dropped even as they found out they were going with the third stringer.

The game was played, BYU won and BYU is now ranked #14. All the if's in the world won't change either of those things.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

You want to see "badly misjudged"?

Look at this list.

http://www.cougarguard.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15509

Whose predicted MOV was closest to the actual margin? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't Goatnapper, Lebowski, or BYU71. Oh yeah, it was me.

Nice and congrats and so what. You still had BYU winning didn't you. Now if you had picked them to lose and they did, then you really would be big man on campus.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Then Indy on this issue is as big an idiot as you are. I use the term idiot in an endearing way.

People who come up with their if's and then act like they can project what happens when they use the term if are performing menatal masturbation.

You don't know what would have happened if Ben had been healthy. The spread was 6pts when the oddsmakers thought Ben was the starter, it dropped even as they found out they were going with the third stringer.

The game was played, BYU won and BYU is now ranked #14. All the if's in the world won't change either of those things.

Indy is often an idiot when it comes to things. This is accepted as universal truth now.

However, I have actually bought a small part of Indy's argument that Crowton had a uniquely bad set of things occur that screwed him. Whereas the opposite can be argued as having occurred to Bronco.

So while I still don't think Crowton was a good general, I have bought two-pence worth of Indy's arguments.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

You are an idiot. I posted that I would be curious what an oddsmaker poll would show after the bowls.

BYU was a 6 point favorite against UCLA. A 6 point favorite is a fairly significant favorite. This tells me that the oddsmakers had badly misjudged the game.

I'm sure BYU would have dropped to lower than 10 in a final poll.

No, you didn't post that you would be curious what a poll would say if they released one. You said, "will there be an oddsmaker poll released?" Obvious answer: no. They release the poll for gambling purposes.

Maybe you can go with the EWU avatar again. That worked out well for you too. You cheer against BYU at every opportunity, so much so that you apparently can't even realize when you are being blinded by your own prejudices.

Oddsmakers love BYU this year. They loved BYU last year. The pollsters clearly loved BYU by the end of the year. Get on board. It is better than cheering for EWU.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

No, you didn't post that you would be curious what a poll would say if they released one. You said, "will there be an oddsmaker poll released?" Obvious answer: no. They release the poll for gambling purposes.

Maybe you can go with the EWU avatar again. That worked out well for you too. You cheer against BYU at every opportunity, so much so that you apparently can't even realize when you are being blinded by your own prejudices.

Oddsmakers love BYU this year. They loved BYU last year. The pollsters clearly loved BYU by the end of the year. Get on board. It is better than cheering for EWU.

Where is that "poll" released other than the WashPost blog?

Thanks in advance.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Indy is often an idiot when it comes to things. This is accepted as universal truth now.

However, I have actually bought a small part of Indy's argument that Crowton had a uniquely bad set of things occur that screwed him. Whereas the opposite can be argued as having occurred to Bronco.

So while I still don't think Crowton was a good general, I have bought two-pence worth of Indy's arguments.

Bronco has firmly demonstrated that he can take a talented group of players, which he largely inherited, and get a consistently high level of productivity out of them.

Bronco has firmly demonstrated that he has a firm grasp on player relations, admin relations, alumni relations, all to an nth level higher than Crowton.

Bronco has firmly demonstrated that he can get a high level of production out of marginal players, like the 4 walk-ons that started in the secondary this year and yet produced a top 10 or 15 defense.

It tentatively appears that Bronco is adept at identifying quality D-1 talent that will fit in at BYU and still meet BYU's competitive needs. This, IMO, is the biggest remaining unknown about Bronco. However, 2008 and 2009 will largely answer those questions.

IMO, there isn't one other person out there that is as uniquely qualified to lead BYU's football program as Bronco is right now. I pray to all that is holy that when Bronco hangs up the clipboard or perchance ventures to greener pastures that someone else has been sufficiently prepared to fill that gigantic void.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Indy is often an idiot when it comes to things. This is accepted as universal truth now.

However, I have actually bought a small part of Indy's argument that Crowton had a uniquely bad set of things occur that screwed him. Whereas the opposite can be argued as having occurred to Bronco.

So while I still don't think Crowton was a good general, I have bought two-pence worth of Indy's arguments.

I was referring to the fact you and Indy would agree BYU would get manhandled.

I have always said Crowton had a set of bad circumstances. A lot of it was a result of him not knowing what he was getting into, Bronco did.

Crowton probably thought his most important interview was with the AD and school President. He didn't realize his ability to bear his testimony was the most important part of the interview. It went downhill from there.