Faith-Promoting History

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by tooblue

Or it advances your agenda

That too.

I'm transparent when it comes to that stuff.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

You can trust Cali, Tex. He's a non-apostate.

lol!

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

You can trust Cali, Tex. He's a non-apostate.

I agree. Cali may be a lot of things , but an apostate is not one of them.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

That's a pretty self-serving summary of what happened. And you still didn't answer my questions.

I did.

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

When you read through it, keep in mind that in 1981 he had not yet "apostatized". Nor did he appear to be in any hot water at this point. But I am guessing that in your world view, once someone "apostatizes", they lose all credibility retroactively.

Hmm, not exactly "all credibility retroactively," at least not instantaneously. But it would cause me to view it with a more critical eye, yes.

I still have a hard time listening to old conference tapes where George P. Lee bears a tearful testimony.

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

No matter what I say, Tex, you have to take my word for it. It isn't like you have some sort of alternative verification process.

If you're quoting non-publicly available resources, then that's true, in which case I feel free to doubt you.

[SoCalCoug]

Originally Posted by Tex

I'm pretty sure I read that he espoused some apostate beliefs. Perhaps he holds those beliefs and still believes the church is true, I don't know. Apostates of his stripe (ala Margaret Toscano) exist in a strange limbo where they live with a certain cognitive disharmony as it concerns spiritual matters.

I love this insight into your thought process. You're "pretty sure" you read somewhere that he "espoused some apostate beliefs." On this premise you categorize him as an apostate of the same stripe as Margaret Toscano. On this premise you also apparently discount pretty much everything he's written (which you admit you haven't read) even prior to his "apostatizing."

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SoCalCoug

I love this insight into your thought process. You're "pretty sure" you read somewhere that he "espoused some apostate beliefs." On this premise you categorize him as an apostate of the same stripe as Margaret Toscano. On this premise you also apparently discount pretty much everything he's written (which you admit you haven't read) even prior to his "apostatizing."

I have not read all of his writings, and I disagree with some of his conclusions, especially that the early leaders condoned homosexuality by not condemning it, but I'm unaware of any true apostate beliefs.

It would be kind of Tex to present those "apostate" beliefs. Margaret Toscano may have said, that she prays to a Heavenly Mother. If not her, then I have mistaken her.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

I did.



Hmm, not exactly "all credibility retroactively," at least not instantaneously. But it would cause me to view it with a more critical eye, yes.

I still have a hard time listening to old conference tapes where George P. Lee bears a tearful testimony.



If you're quoting non-publicly available resources, then that's true, in which case I feel free to doubt you.

You feel free to oppose fact when it stares you in the face. I don't know why you feel the need to state the obvious here.

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by Tex

I still have a hard time listening to old conference tapes where George P. Lee bears a tearful testimony.

You listen to old conference tapes?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by SoCalCoug

I love this insight into your thought process. You're "pretty sure" you read somewhere that he "espoused some apostate beliefs." On this premise you categorize him as an apostate of the same stripe as Margaret Toscano. On this premise you also apparently discount pretty much everything he's written (which you admit you haven't read) even prior to his "apostatizing."

I don't keep a file of everything I've ever read about Quinn, so yes, I'm going from memory. This is a friendly discussion and not a deposition, no?

As to his writings, yes, I already said I haven't read much about them and that I'm prejudging them based on his membership status. Why are you repeating me?

Originally Posted by Archaea

It would be kind of Tex to present those "apostate" beliefs.

I'll have to see if I can dig some up, but many of you are more versed in Quinn than me. Have you never read anything from him that seems out of harmony with church teachings?

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

You feel free to oppose fact when it stares you in the face. I don't know why you feel the need to state the obvious here.

Your word is not fact.

Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death

You listen to old conference tapes?

Sometimes.

[SeattleUte]

Is the title of this thread an oxymoron?