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Anyone notice Elder Oaks' talk directly addressed this discussion? It was so specific, it makes one wonder if he's reading along.
I've been meaning to share my own thoughts, but just haven't taken the time to put them all down. Suffice it to say, I agree with Oaks that we are talking about two separate realms of knowledge. Comparing the acquisition of spiritual knowledge to other, more empirical knowledge is inherently flawed. While there are some similarities, there is a point where the analogies break down. I disagree that the knowledge of God's existence is not really knowledge because it cannot be empirically proven, or that people who say "I know" are really just clumsily saying "I believe." I also don't agree that saying "I believe" is an expression of inferior faith than saying "I know." That's not to say that every person who says "I know" really knows. We have been taught that a testimony can be found in its bearing, and sometimes that statement is more an imitative expression of hope than an exclamation of actual knowledge. No matter. I think the Lord gives partial credit when it comes to rewarding those who faithfully seek Him. I'm eager to see the text of Oaks' talk when it comes out.
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Yup. Time to confess, Arch. You've been outed.
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Wading into this one against my better judgment
I would answer with a question.
Do you know you love your spouse? How about your children? Parents, grandparents, etc.? If you can you "know" you love them, where is the evidence for that? How can one "know" anything that is at its root spiritual / emotional. In short, if you think it's "wrong" to say you know something becuase of spiritual witness, then I would submit you need to answer in the negative to the above questions.
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