08-25-2008, 03:13 PM | #11 |
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I don't like making conroversial statements, however I think excommunications are handled much like HC violations at BYU.
The criteria for whether one gets ex'd has to do with 1) amount of contrition, 2) visibility of person being disciplined, 3) PR considerations. The sin itself is secondary. |
08-25-2008, 03:13 PM | #12 |
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By the way, I think there's almost never a reason to excommunicate somone. The two exceptions I can think of is: 1) No desire for repentance or change and 2) public profile. I'm even doubtful on 2) as I think there are much worse things that can happen to the church's reputation than someone making a mistake and attempting to correct it.
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08-25-2008, 03:15 PM | #13 |
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does the church actually look better, when it kicks out it's members for sin?
I'm saying, if you are looking for good PR, it is good PR to excommunicate someone for an affair? I think it probably has more to do with sending a signal to the other members about what it takes to remain a member. |
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I would hope that something like this can be dealt with in private as much as possible and without the need for an announcement over the pulpit. Unfortunately this sort of secret is is rarely well kept. I would assume that most of the stake will learn of it, if not the details of it, pretty quickly.
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Back to BYU, do you really think anyone cares or or thinks positively when BYU announces they have kicked a kid out because he had sex, consentual sex. Maybe some Islamic mullah somewhere applauds, but other than that the PR is for membership consumption. |
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Still doesn't make sense. |
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I'm wondering what you mean by "church PR". Does it mean that by "punishing" members in the church by excommunication, we'll discourage others from doing the same thing? I don't think that works.
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Try not going to church for 6 months and then show up. See if you ever have had so many people come up to you with a huge smile and say they really glad to see you. Most of this I believe is very sincere, but some of it is programmed into us. On the other hand, those in charge have a dual role. They want members to feel they can sin and come back and be forgiven, they actually want them too. On the other hand they don't want members thinking at decision time that there aren't serious consequences for bad behavior. When these issues become highly public, that is when the PR part comes in. Anyone knows PR and image plays a big role in what happens with the HC and discipline. |
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