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MikeWaters · 08-08-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Yes age Eight.

Of course not everyone can abuse their kids as eloquently as you do your kid Robin.

Rocky's family may have been like mine. It was very much a sacrifice for my parents to sign up their kids for sports and music. I can remember going to a sit-down restaraunt only once or twice from the age 0 to 18. To give you an idea of my parents entertainment budget.

Sacrifice.

tooblue · 08-08-2006, 03:33 PM

To be honest I do not actively encourage my four boys to participate in organized sports … participation is entirely their choice. When they do join a team my wife and I do everything possible to support them.

One of the neat things about grade school in Canada is the fact they have school teams that they can join. The seasons are short, the competition is average and there is a greater emphasis placed upon participation.

My two oldest boys have each made the traveling squad of the volleyball, cross-country and soccer teams. They both failed to make the basketball team, were upset but it was not life and death like it would have been for me when I was a boy … and that is what I hope my children never have to experience in their adolescence. Sports were my life, and honestly I have very few good memories of any of it … I could’ve been so much happier in the art studio and doing other things.

I played a lot of baseball, football and basketball growing up. While I have fond memories of friends and accomplishments, in retrospect I wish I had walked away from high school football and maybe even baseball -mostly because of the politics. That is saying a lot because I was a very good baseball player and high school football is EVERYTHING in high school in Utah.

I never had an opportunity to play basketball because my family did not have the money to send me to the camps, therefore there was no way I was ever going to make the team –besides I was playing baseball! I actually love playing and officiating basketball now, I believe mostly because I wasn’t burned out by the politics etc. in high school.

To this day listening to my older brother’s woes as a coach of his son’s Ute conference little league football team and the politics he must endure turns my stomach (he’s got to play this kid at this position because if he doesn’t his wealthy dad will make waves during basketball blah blah blah).

Maybe I’ll get my kids into golf and continue to let them play soccer. However I have no desire to push them into sports and I do not think is wrong of anyone to omit sports from their child’s life.

Mormon Red Death · 08-08-2006, 04:48 PM

its funny I used to always want all boys and now that I have a girl I wouldn't mind at all if I got all girls. the change happened when I went to the unc v utah game last year in North Carolina. There was a guy (who posts on utefans.net) who had his wife and daughter (probably 14) come along for the game. They cheered and had a good time and it made me think. Wait a minute if she was boy she would probably have games this saturday and he wouldn't be at the game. It changed my whole perspective on things

Surfah · 08-08-2006, 05:05 PM

I am grateful for parents who were athletic and fairly athletic genes.

Both my parents played volleyball in college and my old man supposedly was a stud in volleyball and football and could have gone to most schools in the Pac-10 had he wanted but he decided to stay in Hawaii. His family is very strong and athletic and participate in everything from paddling to powerlifting.

My mother game from a sportsman family of hunters and fishermen, but they excelled in the traditional sports as well. My grandfather played basketball for Army and also played minor league baseball.

My parents pushed me to play sports. And I am grateful for it. My dad would make me run a mile every day before I could eat dinner I remember as early as the 6th grade. But they never would have pushed me so if I didn't want them to.

I'll probably push my kids into sports. I'll try and be more Woodsian in my approach than Marinovichian...I hope.

Robin · 08-09-2006, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Robin i am sure if you continue to let Mike be your boys god father he will still take him to Burning Man every year if something happens.

I have no doubt Mike's intentions would be good, it is the delivery I fear. I want to expose my kid to a lot of different world views, including POVS that were drastically different than our own. That was the intention is asking Mike the favor in the first place. But when the Dr.'s course of therapy looks like it will do more harm than good, it is time to start looking for a second opinion.

It is a win-win-win-win situation.

RockyBalboa · 08-09-2006, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Robin

I have no doubt Mike's intentions would be good, it is the delivery I fear. I want to expose my kid to a lot of different world views, including POVS that were drastically different than our own. That was the intention is asking Mike the favor in the first place. But when the Dr.'s course of therapy looks like it will do more harm than good, it is time to start looking for a second opinion.

It is a win-win-win-win situation.

Subjecting a child to hedonistic behavior is not a win-win situation.

Robin · 08-09-2006, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Subjecting a child to hedonistic behavior is not a win-win situation.

Oh come on! Pioneer Days are not as bad as you think.

08-08-2006, 04:48 PM	#23
Mormon Red Death Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Clinton Township, MI Posts: 3,126	its funny I used to always want all boys and now that I have a girl I wouldn't mind at all if I got all girls. the change happened when I went to the unc v utah game last year in North Carolina. There was a guy (who posts on utefans.net) who had his wife and daughter (probably 14) come along for the game. They cheered and had a good time and it made me think. Wait a minute if she was boy she would probably have games this saturday and he wouldn't be at the game. It changed my whole perspective on things __________________ Its all about the suit

08-08-2006, 05:05 PM	#24
Surfah Master Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: F'burg, VA Posts: 3,211	I am grateful for parents who were athletic and fairly athletic genes. Both my parents played volleyball in college and my old man supposedly was a stud in volleyball and football and could have gone to most schools in the Pac-10 had he wanted but he decided to stay in Hawaii. His family is very strong and athletic and participate in everything from paddling to powerlifting. My mother game from a sportsman family of hunters and fishermen, but they excelled in the traditional sports as well. My grandfather played basketball for Army and also played minor league baseball. My parents pushed me to play sports. And I am grateful for it. My dad would make me run a mile every day before I could eat dinner I remember as early as the 6th grade. But they never would have pushed me so if I didn't want them to. I'll probably push my kids into sports. I'll try and be more Woodsian in my approach than Marinovichian...I hope. __________________ Ernie Johnson: "Auburn is a pretty good school. To graduate from there I suppose you really need to work hard and put forth maximum effort." Charles Barkley: "20 pts and 10 rebounds will get you through also!"

08-08-2006, 03:33 PM	#22
tooblue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,016	To be honest I do not actively encourage my four boys to participate in organized sports … participation is entirely their choice. When they do join a team my wife and I do everything possible to support them. One of the neat things about grade school in Canada is the fact they have school teams that they can join. The seasons are short, the competition is average and there is a greater emphasis placed upon participation. My two oldest boys have each made the traveling squad of the volleyball, cross-country and soccer teams. They both failed to make the basketball team, were upset but it was not life and death like it would have been for me when I was a boy … and that is what I hope my children never have to experience in their adolescence. Sports were my life, and honestly I have very few good memories of any of it … I could’ve been so much happier in the art studio and doing other things. I played a lot of baseball, football and basketball growing up. While I have fond memories of friends and accomplishments, in retrospect I wish I had walked away from high school football and maybe even baseball -mostly because of the politics. That is saying a lot because I was a very good baseball player and high school football is EVERYTHING in high school in Utah. I never had an opportunity to play basketball because my family did not have the money to send me to the camps, therefore there was no way I was ever going to make the team –besides I was playing baseball! I actually love playing and officiating basketball now, I believe mostly because I wasn’t burned out by the politics etc. in high school. To this day listening to my older brother’s woes as a coach of his son’s Ute conference little league football team and the politics he must endure turns my stomach (he’s got to play this kid at this position because if he doesn’t his wealthy dad will make waves during basketball blah blah blah). Maybe I’ll get my kids into golf and continue to let them play soccer. However I have no desire to push them into sports and I do not think is wrong of anyone to omit sports from their child’s life.