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MikeWaters · 09-26-2006, 07:41 PM

i think it's too early to tell, but it looks a bit more promising.

I think the tackling is better.

I don't really think we have truly been tested.

The other part is that we are getting a better pass rush with our current scheme and players, so that is helping.

Safety remains a question mark. Neither terrible nor great it seems so far. This may be a function of the linebackers taking up a lot of slack.

RockyBalboa · 09-26-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

i think it's too early to tell, but it looks a bit more promising.

I think the tackling is better.

I don't really think we have truly been tested.

The other part is that we are getting a better pass rush with our current scheme and players, so that is helping.

Safety remains a question mark. Neither terrible nor great it seems so far. This may be a function of the linebackers taking up a lot of slack.

Mike, I'll agree on the safety part, but admittedly Quinn Gooch had a fantastic game against Boston College. I hope he can build on that and continue to improve.

Goatnapper'96 · 09-26-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

i think it's too early to tell, but it looks a bit more promising.

I think the tackling is better.

I don't really think we have truly been tested.

The other part is that we are getting a better pass rush with our current scheme and players, so that is helping.

Safety remains a question mark. Neither terrible nor great it seems so far. This may be a function of the linebackers taking up a lot of slack.

Did you type that entirely with your left hand?

Good heavens that post has less manhood than ex-ute or any faggity frenchman.

Take a stand Doc, and don't be such a string puller.

Either it appears it is better or it appears it is not. If it is improved this year, based upon a critical analysis, then I think it is fair to say that HB is sending out shit based upon perception of last year and not reality. Has HB ever commented upon his analysis of the DL? I can admit that I thought the coaching staff made a huge blunder but it appears that they acquitted themselves pretty damn well with the talent they brought in, and two of those DL starters were playing during spring ball. So what gives with HB?

myboynoah · 09-26-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

Either it appears it is better or it appears it is not. If it is improved this year, based upon a critical analysis, then I think it is fair to say that HB is sending out shit based upon perception of last year and not reality. Has HB ever commented upon his analysis of the DL? I can admit that I thought the coaching staff made a huge blunder but it appears that they acquitted themselves pretty damn well with the talent they brought in, and two of those DL starters were playing during spring ball. So what gives with HB?

I think HB may have been misrepresented here. He never said that JRob sucks; neither did he say that he hadn't improved. His point is that Coach Bronco makes a point of saying he recruits to improve the talent and that since JRob is still the starter, that aspect of recruiting isn't panning out. I don't know that I agree, since HB is being a bit schizoid. Further down in the newsletter he notes that the secondary has made "major" improvement from last year, crediting Coach Hill.

I think it's clear that the secondary has improved, as well as the Cougars are running a better defensive scheme. The defense was a sieve last year. I think if they were going to return to that form again this year, we would have seen some semblance of that in the four games played. We haven't.

Fumamota McChopperdave · 09-26-2006, 09:18 PM

We've played a couple of tough offenses (Tulsa & Boston College) and played well. I don't know if I'd say we're 'untested.' The best offenses we're likely to play against, imo, would be:

Utah/Boston College
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Tulsa, TCU
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and about everyone else we play is shitty. So I would say the prognosis is good for our defense this year.
btw, Where did Ben Criddle come from? Teams don't even bother throwing on him these days. Of course that may be more of a reflection of JRob's skills than anything else, but still...

MikeWaters · 09-26-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

Did you type that entirely with your left hand?

Good heavens that post has less manhood than ex-ute or any faggity frenchman.

Take a stand Doc, and don't be such a string puller.

Either it appears it is better or it appears it is not. If it is improved this year, based upon a critical analysis, then I think it is fair to say that HB is sending out shit based upon perception of last year and not reality. Has HB ever commented upon his analysis of the DL? I can admit that I thought the coaching staff made a huge blunder but it appears that they acquitted themselves pretty damn well with the talent they brought in, and two of those DL starters were playing during spring ball. So what gives with HB?

I agree with the sentiment that given how bad JR was and is, it is disappointing that the JC transfers couldn't beat him out.

Is that Bronco's fault? Not necessarily. However I think the hype machine for these "awesome" recruits is kind of ridiculous. We get the same guys we've always gotten.

It's hard to make a lot of pronouncements about the defensive backs when you don't actually get to seem them in action due to the way that games are shown on television. I can't get a good idea of the coverage. Same thing with receivers. Why can't Beck connect on the outer thirds? Because the receivers aren't open? Because Beck by default goes short and up the middle? Can't tell if you can't see.

jay santos · 09-26-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

Did you type that entirely with your left hand?

Good heavens that post has less manhood than ex-ute or any faggity frenchman.

Take a stand Doc, and don't be such a string puller.

Either it appears it is better or it appears it is not. If it is improved this year, based upon a critical analysis, then I think it is fair to say that HB is sending out shit based upon perception of last year and not reality. Has HB ever commented upon his analysis of the DL? I can admit that I thought the coaching staff made a huge blunder but it appears that they acquitted themselves pretty damn well with the talent they brought in, and two of those DL starters were playing during spring ball. So what gives with HB?

Not that I feel like I have to be an HB defender, but in fairness to him because I read the newsletter and made the initial post here, his comment wasn't about the defense or Bronco's recruits in general.

His comment was specifically about JRob and the guys that might have supplanted him as starter namely Howard, Tico Pringle, and Solsberry Hill. Buckner and Bradley are off the table in the analysis because of injury and redshirt. I endorse HB's opinion though it's not the strongest of my opinions.

Goatnapper'96 · 09-26-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Not that I feel like I have to be an HB defender, but in fairness to him because I read the newsletter and made the initial post here, his comment wasn't about the defense or Bronco's recruits in general.

His comment was specifically about JRob and the guys that might have supplanted him as starter namely Howard, Tico Pringle, and Solsberry Hill. Buckner and Bradley are off the table in the analysis because of injury and redshirt. I endorse HB's opinion though it's not the strongest of my opinions.

Perhaps I am on edge because I think folks are overreacting to the two losses this year. I still cannot fathom that folks think there has been no improvement from the Crowton debacle, but the fact is until Bronco starts winning consistently that argument is difficult to combat.

I just think that given the improvement within the secondary, and the whole defense for that matter, it is piling on because of the baaaaad memories from last year. Jay himself pointed out HB's internal hypocrisy. But the dude might just be getting old.

I think BYU backed into a solid head coach. I doubt he wins 8 or 9 straight conference championships or 19 in 29 years, but I think if Bronco is at BYU over the next 15 years he will win as many conference championships as any other team, or he won't be far behind the leader. I just can't fathom how one can watch his teams play and hearken back to a 6-6 CSU club scoring that shitload of points while Gary was tangled up in his notcard necklace trying to get a wink of shuteye because he had been up all night drawing up plays on his napkin.

This could be the first year since 1999 where BYU is competitive in every game it plays. While the wins aren't piling up, IMO there is a noticeable difference in effort, intensity and general level of competition. I am confident that conference play will prove me now herewith. Given how BYU priortizes sports, I really think he is the best BYU can get. I am convinced he is better than the last fellow and if in the end BYU hires a more proven commodity because his teams are solid and unable to get over the hump, I will be forever grateful to him for forcing the issue and making winning something the admin lusts after like ex-ute lusts after a bottle of Summers Eve.

Jeff Lebowski · 09-26-2006, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

Perhaps I am on edge because I think folks are overreacting to the two losses this year. I still cannot fathom that folks think there has been no improvement from the Crowton debacle, but the fact is until Bronco starts winning consistently that argument is difficult to combat.

I just think that given the improvement within the secondary, and the whole defense for that matter, it is piling on because of the baaaaad memories from last year. Jay himself pointed out HB's internal hypocrisy. But the dude might just be getting old.

I think BYU backed into a solid head coach. I doubt he wins 8 or 9 straight conference championships or 19 in 29 years, but I think if Bronco is at BYU over the next 15 years he will win as many conference championships as any other team, or he won't be far behind the leader. I just can't fathom how one can watch his teams play and hearken back to a 6-6 CSU club scoring that shitload of points while Gary was tangled up in his notcard necklace trying to get a wink of shuteye because he had been up all night drawing up plays on his napkin.

This could be the first year since 1999 where BYU is competitive in every game it plays. While the wins aren't piling up, IMO there is a noticeable difference in effort, intensity and general level of competition. I am confident that conference play will prove me now herewith. Given how BYU priortizes sports, I really think he is the best BYU can get. I am convinced he is better than the last fellow and if in the end BYU hires a more proven commodity because his teams are solid and unable to get over the hump, I will be forever grateful to him for forcing the issue and making winning something the admin lusts after like ex-ute lusts after a bottle of Summers Eve.

(clap....clap...clap...)

Vintage Goatnapper. Insightful, witty, & irreverent. CB's loss is our gain, folks.

MikeWaters · 09-26-2006, 10:36 PM

this year ought to be the perfect storm of success for Bronco. A better than expected defense. A senior-laden experienced offense.

Combine that with the MWC generally sucking eggs (more than usual) this year.

I certainly like being competitive more than I like being blown out. But at the end of the day, neither sort of loss is particularly satisfying.

09-26-2006, 09:18 PM	#15
Fumamota McChopperdave Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SLC Posts: 25	true, true We've played a couple of tough offenses (Tulsa & Boston College) and played well. I don't know if I'd say we're 'untested.' The best offenses we're likely to play against, imo, would be: Utah/Boston College - - - - Tulsa, TCU - - - - - and about everyone else we play is shitty. So I would say the prognosis is good for our defense this year. btw, Where did Ben Criddle come from? Teams don't even bother throwing on him these days. Of course that may be more of a reflection of JRob's skills than anything else, but still... __________________ "If you had a friend who was a tightrope walker, and you were walking down a sidewalk, and he fell, that would be completely unacceptable."

09-26-2006, 07:41 PM	#11
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	i think it's too early to tell, but it looks a bit more promising. I think the tackling is better. I don't really think we have truly been tested. The other part is that we are getting a better pass rush with our current scheme and players, so that is helping. Safety remains a question mark. Neither terrible nor great it seems so far. This may be a function of the linebackers taking up a lot of slack.

09-26-2006, 10:36 PM	#20
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	this year ought to be the perfect storm of success for Bronco. A better than expected defense. A senior-laden experienced offense. Combine that with the MWC generally sucking eggs (more than usual) this year. I certainly like being competitive more than I like being blown out. But at the end of the day, neither sort of loss is particularly satisfying.