What makes someone an "Anti"?

[aaronshaf]

With all due respect, are you laughing out loud when you type this crap? When you quote snippets of what GA's have said you are attempting to tell us what we really believe. As though you're showing us something we were unaware of, and now we'll see the light.That's all you've ever done on this site and quite frankly you're just not very good at it.

No, not laughing at all. I certainly don't presume that you believe what your authoritaties did or do teach. I'm well aware of the diversity of authoritative teachings, not to mention the gap between many of them and the diversity of folk beliefs. In any case, you belong to a religion that has leaders that have taught some seriously unbiblical things, things that Mormons themselves implicitly argue against, even though they concern the fundamentals of the gospel. I would argue that Mormons should be much more concerned and consciously aware of what their leaders have and are teaching in order to examine them.

Mormon leaders have clearly taught that we must pay a partial debt for our sins, and that the atonement only pays part of it (in a final sense). They have also taught of the role of personal merit in earning forgiveness. These teachings should not only be abandoned but denounced as heretical.

[Indy Coug]

Well, Christ requires something of us beyond a mere profession of faith...

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/7/21#21

[aaronshaf]

The only obedience and holiness that God wants comes from a heart already forgiven for all its sins.

Any attempt at holiness as an attempt to prove oneself personally worthy of grace is an offense to God (cf. Romans 4:4-8).

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by aaronshaf

The only obedience and holiness that God wants comes from a heart already forgiven for all its sins.

Any attempt at holiness as an attempt to prove oneself personally worthy of grace is an offense to God (cf. Romans 4:4-8).

Motivation is indeed a very important consideration.

So what happens if someone claims they have accepted Christ as their personal savior, yet afterwards they show no obedience, no works, no repentance for their sins and live in a manner that contradicts anything and everything Christ ever said or did?

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Motivation is indeed a very important consideration.

So what happens if someone claims they have accepted Christ as their personal savior, yet afterwards they show no obedience, no works, no repentance for their sins and live in a manner that contradicts anything and everything Christ ever said or did?

Indy, I'm sure you've been around Christians long enough to know the answers. The Christian will tell you that in this case, the convert must not have really accepted Christ and since his actions are the fruits of his conversion, we would know this person is not saved.

AShaf: the LDS umbrella, just like the Christian umbrella, is wide enough that you can have various beliefs on grace vs works that don't conflict with official doctrine. You know you could be having this exact converation with some more conservative Christians. And Indy could be having this same debate with more grace-leaning Mormons like myself. But you know that, too.

What's the point of all this bickering if both sides already know the other's views?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by jay santos

Indy, I'm sure you've been around Christians long enough to know the answers. The Christian will tell you that in this case, the convert must not have really accepted Christ and since his actions are the fruits of his conversion, we would know this person is not saved.

AShaf: the LDS umbrella, just like the Christian umbrella, is wide enough that you can have various beliefs on grace vs works that don't conflict with official doctrine. You know you could be having this exact converation with some more conservative Christians. And Indy could be having this same debate with more grace-leaning Mormons like myself. But you know that, too.

What's the point of all this bickering if both sides already know the other's views?

I honestly don't know what his views on this specifically are. Other Christians I've talked to have had wildly varying thoughts on this.

[Archaea]

Aaron just regurgitates some of the mindless babble about trinitarianism, grace without works and then intentionally misconstrues a few old worn out quotes.

The amusing thing is he views his wife as his personal slave, and has a child who he seeks to have ridiculed and ignored. He is truly an abomination of a human being.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

The amusing thing is he views his wife as his personal slave, and has a child who he seeks to have ridiculed and ignored. He is truly an abomination of a human being.

Since I've seen you claim this several times today, can you provide one or more links?

[Archaea]

The claims are based on these, and you can search for yourself.

First, he calls his wife his "servant" or similar language in this Religion Section.

Second, the abuse related to child is as follows. He leaves his sanctum of evangelicals, goes to Utah County, builds a website solely designed to attack LDS beliefs filled with the typical bs one reads from evangelicals, and now lives amongst the LDS with his child to bear the brunt of being the child of the anti-Mormon in the neighborhood. What parent would deliberately set a child up for social failure? Will any parent allow their children to play with his child? Not likely.

Third, there have a few persons who were invited by Aaron in Utah County to visit his home where he snookers them in, having the LDS believe they will have a friendly discussion wherein Aaron hits them with preprepared anti-Mormon tracts and terminology. Others here can verify. I choose to not do the research on somebody as a low life as Aaron. His is a simple dickweed with no redeeming virtues or value. He is on par with the infamous Tanners of Salt Lake and Lighthouse Ministeries, equally as virulent and clueless.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Archaea

The claims are based on these, and you can search for yourself.

First, he calls his wife his "servant" or similar language in this Religion Section.

Second, the abuse related to child is as follows. He leaves his sanctum of evangelicals, goes to Utah County, builds a website solely designed to attack LDS beliefs filled with the typical bs one reads from evangelicals, and now lives amongst the LDS with his child to bear the brunt of being the child of the anti-Mormon in the neighborhood. What parent would deliberately set a child up for social failure? Will any parent allow their children to play with his child? Not likely.

Third, there have a few persons who were invited by Aaron in Utah County to visit his home where he snookers them in, having the LDS believe they will have a friendly discussion wherein Aaron hits them with preprepared anti-Mormon tracts and terminology. Others here can verify. I choose to not do the research on somebody as a low life as Aaron. His is a simple dickweed with no redeeming virtues or value. He is on par with the infamous Tanners of Salt Lake and Lighthouse Ministeries, equally as virulent and clueless.

Couldn't agree more Arch.