(Im)mutability of Same Gender Attraction

[CardiacCoug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Bad analogy. The proper analogy is if God said you're a bad persn and you're going to hell if you're alergic to peanuts because peanuts are a sacred food and part of the Lord's sacrament. People undertand tragedy as a part of God's plan. Not God punishing someone in the hereafter or with bad karma because of a physical trait they didn't cause. Surely you see the difference.

Sure, and I think even orthodox Mormons are coming around (albeit belatedly) to the idea that homosexual orientation itself isn't a sin. If they also believe that gays will be made straight and have a chance for hetero marriage in the next life does that solve the "problem" of homosexuality? I think that theory is more fitting with the spirit of the gospel -- that God alone knows every individual perfectly and gives everybody a fair chance at exaltation in this life or the next.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by CardiacCoug

Sure, and I think even orthodox Mormons are coming around (albeit belatedly) to the idea that homosexual orientation itself isn't a sin. If they also believe that gays will be made straight and have a chance for hetero marriage in the next life does that solve the "problem" of homosexuality? I think that theory is more fitting with the spirit of the gospel -- that God alone knows every individual perfectly and gives everybody a fair chance at exaltation in this life or the next.

Then even the Orthodox Mormons are more enlightened than their leaders. This isn't surprising because Mormonism's leaders are a gerontocracy. Like China. Like USSR pre-Gorbachev. Boy could Mormonism use some youth way up high.

[All-American]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

It's taken for granted based on the word of the homosexuals themselves and common sense. There aren't papers on immutabilty per se because it's passe and silly. Are you aware that most self respecting cities of any size in the U.S. have ordinances prohibiting discriminating against gays by landlords, employers, etc. Why do you think that is? The question that lacks clarity is exactly how gays are created by nature (I'm using nature very broadly).

Please don't take up space on this board any longer with this silly point. It's immutable. No one but you seems to question that.

What, you mean like these homosexuals, who insist that it was a choice?

http://www.queerbychoice.com/

Please don't take up space on this board any longer with points that you are too lazy to back up with anything except your own declaration that it is so.

[CardiacCoug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Then even the Orthodox Mormons are more enlightened than their leaders. This isn't surprising because Mormonism's leaders are a gerontocracy. Like China. Like USSR pre-Gorbachev. Boy could Mormonism use some youth way up high.

Interesting comparison. On my mission in Ukraine one of the members was trying to convey how miraculous it was that a man like Gorbachev who was willing to dismantle the communist government was able to rise to power in the Soviet system.

His exact analogy was, "It would be like somebody rising through the Quorum of the Twelve and becoming the President of the Church and then after he became President saying 'It's all a hoax. The Church isn't true -- let's not have a Church anymore.'"

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by CardiacCoug

Interesting comparison. On my mission in Ukraine one of the members was trying to convey how miraculous it was that a man like Gorbachev who was willing to dismantle the communist government was able to rise to power in the Soviet system.

His exact analogy was, "It would be like somebody rising through the Quorum of the Twelve and becoming the President of the Church and then after he became President saying 'It's all a hoax. The Church isn't true -- let's not have a Church anymore.'"

I think that will happen when Mudphud makes prophet. I hope to live to see the day.

[All-American]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

It's taken for granted based on the word of the homosexuals themselves and common sense. There aren't papers on immutabilty per se because it's passe and silly. Are you aware that most self respecting cities of any size in the U.S. have ordinances prohibiting discriminating against gays by landlords, employers, etc. Why do you think that is? The question that lacks clarity is exactly how gays are created by nature (I'm using nature very broadly).

Please don't take up space on this board any longer with this silly point. It's immutable. No one but you seems to question that.

Might I also point out that I haven't taken a position on this one way or another. I see people arguing on both sides and ask for some solid evidence or research to clarify. You respond by shouting out your position ad nauseum.

If I were so misguided on this one in so much as asking the qeustion, then nothing should be easier for you than to point me to a single article proving your point, or directly to the thousands who believe exactly as you claim they do without variation. Instead, you want me to take your word for it. Not good enough.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by All-American

Might I also point out that I haven't taken a position on this one way or another. I see people arguing on both sides and ask for some solid evidence or research to clarify. You respond by shouting out your position ad nauseum.

If I were so misguided on this one in so much as asking the qeustion, then nothing should be easier for you than to point me to a single article proving your point, or directly to the thousands who believe exactly as you claim they do without variation. Instead, you want me to take your word for it. Not good enough.

Skidadle, child. Can't you see you're the only one on the fense about this. Even the Mullahs have moved on--to so what if it's not a choice, it's still a sin and we hate the sinner.

[All-American]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Skidadle, child. Can't you see you're the only one on the fense about this. Even the Mullahs have moved on--to so what if it's not a choice, it's still a sin and we hate the sinner.

So you don't have any evidence to contribute, then? The very best argument you can come up with is "If you don't agree with me, shut up"? Thanks. That's all you needed to say.

[All-American]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Skidadle, child. Can't you see you're the only one on the fense about this. Even the Mullahs have moved on--to so what if it's not a choice, it's still a sin and we hate the sinner.

As for the "child" bit. I'm awaiting your response on several points now:

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showthr...t=20690&page=6
http://cougarguard.com/forum/showthr...t=21574&page=4
http://cougarguard.com/forum/showthr...t=21451&page=2
http://cougarguard.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20619

I've gone toe to toe with you and handed you your ass. More than once. You don't get to dismiss me because I'm a mere undergraduate-- from lowly BYU, no less!

[T Blue]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Skidadle, child. Can't you see you're the only one on the fense about this. Even the Mullahs have moved on--to so what if it's not a choice, it's still a sin and we hate the sinner.

Ummm, actually it's hate the sin not the sinner.

I thought you were going to go away along time ago, as you had the final word on this issue and had nothing further to say?

Maybe you could do yourself, and us, a favor and post something that has substance to back your schtick up or just do as the "mullahs" have done and leave this post alone.