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It may well be that Romney is less inclined than George Bush to disregard and disrespect basic liberties. But if so, it is because of his exposure to American democratic insitututions and values embodied in the Constitution including the Bill of Rights, rather than his particular religious uprbringing per se.
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I think you just made my point.
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I don't agree with the "gene" theory or that religionists have an agenda driving them to excesses. That is a patently absurd theory.
Some persons have a control concept that drives them to excesses, and religion, economic or other causes are excuses for those controlmanias. I sense none of that in Romney but I could just be buying into his shtick.
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I'm not sure this is so. Do you contend that religions principles can only foster reasonable behavior in the presence of post-enlightenment ideas? Were no pre-enlightenment religious adherents good, decent persons? If any were, then your point is not proved, it seems to me.
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[QUOTE=SeattleUte;79370]if Romney wins he won't commence to systematically dismantle our Republican government like what happened to the Weimar Republic in Germany circa 1933?[/QUOTE
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You can't.
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What I am saying, and I think history fully supports me in this, is that religious institutions are fundamentally, implacabley and at a cellular level, hostile to democratic insitutions and civil liberties. They are intolerant of the conditions of plurality and diverse view points that are both a necessary foundation for and fostered by democratic institutions and liberties protected by the Bill of Rights. Moreover, I think that traditionally this hostility is self-evidently transmitted to the mainstream of religious adherants. For example, I saw in a recent post that Mormon Red Death said that when the brethren speak, thinking stops. In my experience, this is not an atypical mindset for an average Mormon. Now, do I want a president who has that mind set? Not on your freaking life.
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Could you not also say that totalitarian governments share many of the characteristics of ALL governments, therefore all governments......
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