Another gay Mormon outs himself

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

How do you document such things? It would be like estimating how many people struggle with the Word of Wisdom.

My guess is that the methodology was rudimentary, but not entirely bereft of reason......these Church members note membership and attendance data at "church-affiliated" SSA help groups, then extrapolate nationally or globally based on population.

of course, as you eloquently point out, absent official tracking measures, how can his 500K estimate be considered accurate? It does sound high, but imagine if it were not. Wow.

There is no legitimate basis to come up with that number.

We have what 12 million members on the records. Assume half are male. We're down to 6 million.

All relevant data confirms the incidence rate to be between 1 and 2 percent. Anything above that is pure conjecture based on the one prison study which found ten percent of incarcerated males between the ages of 18 and 36, IIRC, had gay sex while in prison.

His data and estimation reveals his ignorance.

So at the most there could be 60 to 120K. And then we get to activity levels, of forty percent reducing that number "just like him" to about 20 thousand to forty thousand. A big discrepancy. And this is not refined taking into account differences in membership in different cultures.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Would the Apostles feel the same way? I have no idea.

Culturally, our church doesnt seem ready for that to occur. However, playing along with your hypothetical, how would a gay couple attending Church be much different than a straight couple? Heteros sit next to each in Sacrament. I usually dont see much kissing or intimacy in Church meetings.

where it would be interesting would be in a Sunday School environment. Let's say the lesson is about relationships or harmony in the home or something like that. A gay couple talking openly about gay issues would surely not be welcome, I would think.

How is a single pregnant woman different than the young pregnant married woman whose husband isn't at church? They are both women, pregnant and sitting there.

The difference is the perception and judgement of the people around them.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

There is no legitimate basis to come up with that number.

We have what 12 million members on the records. Assume half are male. We're down to 6 million.

All relevant data confirms the incidence rate to be between 1 and 2 percent. Anything above that is pure conjecture based on the one prison study which found ten percent of incarcerated males between the ages of 18 and 36, IIRC, had gay sex while in prison.

His data and estimation reveals his ignorance.

So at the most there could be 60 to 120K. And then we get to activity levels, of forty percent reducing that number "just like him" to about 20 thousand to forty thousand. A big discrepancy. And this is not refined taking into account differences in membership in different cultures.

why would you limit to just men? did he do so in his article?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

I don't understand all the inner turmoil with people trying to reconcile their homosexuality with the LDS Church. If you are gay and aware of the Church's position regarding homosexuality, it should be as plain as day that the Church is wrong. There is nothing to reconcile -- just reject it and move on.

Bingo.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Archaea

We have what 12 million members on the records. Assume half are male. We're down to 6 million.

His data and estimation reveals his ignorance.

Was this irony intentional?

Why would you discuss SSA in the LDS church and begin by discounting the entire female gender?

I am pretty sure women can be gay.

I thought you were paid better than those on CB?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

why would you limit to just men? did he do so in his article?

He was a man, and appeared to be speaking of men.

Perhaps not.

I separate the behavior of gay men from that of lesbians. To me, they are related but not identical behaviors.

The language of the specific paragraph centered on the problems of men, so I interpreted it to mean, gay men.

y predicament is not unique in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. By some estimates there are as many as 500,000 gay Mormons. For us, the church has erected a crippling series of obstacles which have driven many gay Mormons to suicide. Utah has the highest rate of suicides among males age 15-24. Hardest hit by church policies are younger gay Mormon men who have had to create “anti-suicide pacts” to help each other live until they can eventually cope with a church that denies them life-affirming relationships.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

How is a single pregnant woman different than the young pregnant married woman whose husband isn't at church? They are both women, pregnant and sitting there.

The difference is the perception and judgement of the people around them.

I dont follow your convoluted point. Please explain.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Was this irony intentional?

Why would you discuss SSA in the LDS church and begin by discounting the entire female gender?

I am pretty sure women can be gay.

I thought you were paid better than those on CB?

Most of the discussion in the SSA arena centers on gay men. I don't have data on the incidence rate of lesbians.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I dont follow your convoluted point. Please explain.

My point is that some would be uncomfortable with just their presence.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

My point is that some would be uncomfortable with just their presence.

Oh....well, I do not doubt this. Agreed.