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exUte · 02-26-2008, 07:20 PM

'unnatural affection' is, that is quoted in the bible?

SoonerCoug · 02-26-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by exUte

'unnatural affection' is, that is quoted in the bible?

Yes.

woot · 02-26-2008, 07:25 PM

If we define "natural" as "that which occurs most frequently outside of civilization," then strict heterosexuality is fairly unnatural. I'll assume by "natural" they mean "what I'm most used to or comfortable with."

RC Vikings · 02-26-2008, 07:30 PM

Animals, guys and ugly women.

Sleeping in EQ · 02-26-2008, 07:30 PM

I hope one of our Greek scholars will weigh in, but translations I've consulted cast doubt on the idea that the passage refers to homosexuality. For comparision:

2 Tim. 3:3

NRSV: 3 inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, brutes, haters of good,

ESV: 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,

GNT: 3 they will be unkind, merciless, slanderers, violent, and fierce; they will hate the good;

NASB: 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,

NIV: 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,

KJV: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Solon · 02-26-2008, 07:48 PM

ἄστοργοι (without natural affection) refers to the lack of affection (στοργή) that occurs naturally (duh), usually between parents and children. Rarely sexual love. So the LSJ Greek Lexicon.

We would probably say "heartless" or "cruel."

exUte · 02-26-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Solon

ἄστοργοι (without natural affection) refers to the lack of affection (στοργή) that occurs naturally (duh), usually between parents and children. Rarely sexual love. So the LSJ Greek Lexicon.

We would probably say "heartless" or "cruel."

these days.........just open up the newspapers on a daily basis.

Sleeping in EQ · 02-26-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Solon

ἄστοργοι (without natural affection) refers to the lack of affection (στοργή) that occurs naturally (duh), usually between parents and children. Rarely sexual love. So the LSJ Greek Lexicon.

We would probably say "heartless" or "cruel."

Thanks, Solon.

SoCalCoug · 02-26-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

I hope one of our Greek scholars will weigh in, but translations I've consulted cast doubt on the idea that the passage refers to homosexuality. For comparision:

2 Tim. 3:3

NRSV: 3 inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, brutes, haters of good,

ESV: 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,

GNT: 3 they will be unkind, merciless, slanderers, violent, and fierce; they will hate the good;

NASB: 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,

NIV: 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,

KJV: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

I don't think that's the answer Exie was looking for.

jay santos · 02-26-2008, 08:08 PM

SIEQ and Solon, thanks. Good stuff.

02-26-2008, 07:20 PM	#1
exUte Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,326	Anyone know what 'unnatural affection' is, that is quoted in the bible?

02-26-2008, 07:30 PM	#5
Sleeping in EQ Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The People's Republic of Monsanto Posts: 3,085	I hope one of our Greek scholars will weigh in, but translations I've consulted cast doubt on the idea that the passage refers to homosexuality. For comparision: 2 Tim. 3:3 *NRSV: 3* inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, brutes, haters of good, *ESV: 3* heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, *GNT: 3* they will be unkind, merciless, slanderers, violent, and fierce; they will hate the good; NASB: 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, *NIV: 3* without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, KJV: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, __________________ "Do not despise the words of prophets, but test everything; hold fast to what is good; " 1 Thess. 5:21 (NRSV) We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

02-26-2008, 07:48 PM	#6
Solon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Happy Valley, PA Posts: 1,866	ἄστοργοι (without natural affection) refers to the lack of affection (στοργή) that occurs naturally (duh), usually between parents and children. Rarely sexual love. So the LSJ Greek Lexicon. We would probably say "heartless" or "cruel." __________________ I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. - Epitaph of Nikos Kazantzakis (1883-1957)

02-26-2008, 07:25 PM	#3
woot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 1,502	If we define "natural" as "that which occurs most frequently outside of civilization," then strict heterosexuality is fairly unnatural. I'll assume by "natural" they mean "what I'm most used to or comfortable with."

02-26-2008, 07:30 PM	#4
RC Vikings Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rexburg, Idaho Posts: 2,236	Animals, guys and ugly women.

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jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	SIEQ and Solon, thanks. Good stuff.