A non-conference win on the road with a minus-2

[Solon]

Originally Posted by Flystripper

That celebration call will be missed for most of the season. In fact I saw worse celebrations in several games today. The refs will always selectively throw their flag on celebrations. That being said, the refs did not win the game. BYU won the game with a blocked extra point. It was a horrible call though.

Horrible call, but a team should be able to hit a 35 yard FG to put the team into OT. BYU came up the gut. Kicked their ass.

[scottie]

Originally Posted by Flystripper

That celebration call will be missed for most of the season. In fact I saw worse celebrations in several games today. The refs will always selectively throw their flag on celebrations. That being said, the refs did not win the game. BYU won the game with a blocked extra point. It was a horrible call though.

Is the rule based on whether the player hands the ball to the ref or not (which I think it is, but could be wrong), or a judgement call on excessive celebration?

[Solon]

Originally Posted by scottie

Is the rule based on whether the player hands the ball to the ref or not (which I think it is, but could be wrong), or a judgement call on excessive celebration?

I doubt the player is required to hand the ball to the ref. Originally (a hundred years ago), the player had to put the ball on the ground for the score to count (touch-down). They were probably within their rights to call the penalty (Bronco said as much in the postgame TV interview), but it wasn't overly excessive celebration. So, maybe not a "horrible" call like I wrote before, but unnecessary.

Either way, the BYU took care of business on the next play.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Solon

I doubt the player is required to hand the ball to the ref. Originally (a hundred years ago), the player had to put the ball on the ground for the score to count (touch-down). They were probably within their rights to call the penalty (Bronco said as much in the postgame TV interview), but it wasn't overly excessive celebration. So, maybe not a "horrible" call like I wrote before, but unnecessary.

Either way, the BYU took care of business on the next play.

NCAA Rulebook, Section 2, Article 2:

After a score or any other play, the player in possession immediately
must return the ball to an official or leave it near the dead-ball spot.
This prohibits:
(a) Kicking, throwing, spinning or carrying (including off of the
field) the ball any distance that requires an official to retrieve it.
(b) Spiking the ball to the ground [Exception: A forward pass to
conserve time (Rule 7-3-2-d)].
(c) Throwing the ball high into the air.
(d) Any other unsportsmanlike act or actions that delay the game.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Comment from PAC-10 officials:

"After scoring the touchdown, the player threw the ball into the air and we are required, by rule, to assess a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty," Pac-10 referee Larry Farina said in a statement give to Washington officials. "It is a celebration rule that we are required to call. It was not a judgment call." (ESPN.COM)

[Solon]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

NCAA Rulebook, Section 2, Article 2:

So there you go.

But I doubt the BYU would have griped at a no-call.

[Tex]

Wow, I had no idea the rule was that specific. Hard to argue against it.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Comment from PAC-10 officials:

Makes those outraged announcers on Fox Sports Net sound a little silly now.

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by scottie

Is the rule based on whether the player hands the ball to the ref or not (which I think it is, but could be wrong), or a judgement call on excessive celebration?

collie didn't hand the ball to the ref on his td. He spiked it through his legs. It would have been wrong to flag him too.

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

NCAA Rulebook, Section 2, Article 2:

so collie should have been penalized on his td? I don't think so. I know it is technically a rule but it is not consistently applied.